Prince Andrew BACK in the royal fold

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How do you feel about this development?

Thanks @LolaSmiles but it wasn't that. I think I was a bit sarky and it could've inflamed the thread. The rest in my post is all out there.

I can certainly link the article again ...

And...
The spider memos (which showed how Charles lobbied senior government ministers) took a Guardian journalist ten years and a challenge in the Supreme Court to get those published. This investigation is along those lines. Brick wall after brick wall.

Here are the details and link
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/series/cost-of-the-crown

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Yet again another 'confidential' settlement for Andrew.
How many is that now?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/11/21/duke-of-york-settlement-millionairess-alleged-fraudster/
Interesting list of the alleged contacts of Andrew.

He is part of the inner circle, travelling with his nephew and his wife and living on a royal estate No attempts made to distance themselves on a personal level even if it may be different at official level.
More dodgy photographs in the mix with a convicted Libyan gun smuggles pictured at Frogmore House.

Funny how many fraud/sex abuse/bankrupcy cases he is 'dragged' into. Maybe he shouldnt have spent his life shilling cash from dodgy oligarchs and shady characters. Im not sure whether to feel sorry for him or not. He possibly thought these people were his friends and really wanted his company when they saw him as a stupid greedy idiot with access to the Royal Family.

Funny how many fraud/sex abuse/bankrupcy cases he is 'dragged' into. Maybe he shouldnt have spent his life shilling cash from dodgy oligarchs and shady characters. Im not sure whether to feel sorry for him or not. He possibly thought these people were his friends and really wanted his company when they saw him as a stupid greedy idiot with access to the Royal Family
The more cases come out, the more I'm convinced he's been a very useful idiot for people more intelligent than him.

I don't feel sorry for him though. It's his ego that got him into this.

Obviously we'll never know the full truth but it seems plausible to me that he was so convinced that they saw him as the big I Am that he never stopped to consider the morality of these situations or connections, or whether they were only interested in him for his position.

As we saw from the interview, he barely gives a second thought to people he thinks exist to serve him, so morality doesn't come into it. He holds everyone not rich and powerful in contempt (which does lead me to wonder what the rest of them are like. They clearly dont think he's that bad, and he's a product ofchis upbringing just as Harry is). At least people who have to work for their wealth know how to cover up their contempt and entitlement in case they get caught.

Good grief. That article is shocking. The whole York family taking £££££ from dodgy Oligarchs, it really is appalling.
And how many times do we have to hear the phrase "he/she was completely unaware" !!

All this money coming into their bank accounts and they didn't seem to question it?

On another subject, yet a further friend/acquaintance/associate (delete as appropriate) of Andrew's convicted of sex offences. Peter Nygard. Supposedly raped and sexually assaulted over 100 women. He has been found guilty of some of the offences, and is awaiting sentencing.

Andrew has holidayed with him, and the whole family went to his Bahamas gaff. He sounds like a revolting human being who has been escaping justice by paying off his victims and/or threatening them.

His targets frequently came from 'disadvantaged economic backgrounds and/or had a history of abuse' and through threats, financial support, drugging and false promises of modelling opportunities and other career advancement, were coerced into having sex with him and his cronies, the prosecutors say

Just like Epstein. And just like Epstein, Andrew was involved with him.

I have no sympathy for Andrew at all. I hope he was sat at home when the State Banquet for Korea was going on... all members of his family, tiara-ed up and dressed in all the garb, and he could see what he was missing through his own stupidity and greed.

The whole York family taking £££££ from dodgy Oligarchs, it really is appalling.
And how many times do we have to hear the phrase "he/she was completely unaware" !!

Exactly, Roussette, and while everyone quite rightly laid off the daughters when they were minors I've never been entirely comfortable with the assertion that they're mere pawns in their parents' greed

As always there's a lot we can't know here, but even the bits which have crawled into view may suggest they're rather more complicit than some like to believe

Well.... I was of the view that they weren't complicit, but I am beginning to wonder!

Beatrice given an £18K diamond necklace, Eugenie finds £25K has suddenly popped into her account and thinks it's just for a party for her mother?

Pull the other one!

Beatrice given an £18K diamond necklace, Eugenie finds £25K has suddenly popped into her account and thinks it's just for a party for her mother?

Quite
It's not as if the activities of these "men" have gone unpublished, and as adults now I'd expect them to wonder what's in it beyond just a some interest in dear old dad

Unless they too don't care of course, in which case we're back where we started

I just can't believe it's a coincidence that someone has this many associates that are sexual abusers. It doesn't make sense.

He is part of the inner circle, travelling with his nephew and his wife and living on a royal estate No attempts made to distance themselves on a personal level even if it may be different at official level.

I got slaughtered on here for suggesting it wasn't wise for Willy to be seen driving with Andrew riding shotgun the day the queen died and yet oops he did it again😂

I have no doubt the entire York family are at the very least splattered with some of the shit hitting the Andrew fan.

I'm still quite intrigued about how the alleged fraudster in this payoff (the one depositing ££££ into various York accounts) got to live in a Crown Estate Mayfair flat with no evidence of rent being paid.

@CathyorClaire It's murky, incredibly murky.

I read the York/Selman Turk article through quickly but went to get a pen and paper so I could sort out who was who, and who got paid what, but came back and now I can’t access the article - it’s behind the Telegraph paywall

But my god, what a family. Maybe the guardian will run a story I can read further.

Here it is for you @ALittleTeawithmilk

I have archived it so you can read it, and would welcome your analysis! I agree it is very convoluted

The link is perfectly safe
https://archive.ph/raPk8

Neither the Duke or Duchess are accused of any wrongdoing doing!! Good grief! They accepted money without knowing what it was for or who it was from. They implicated their daughters by allowing money to be paid to them too? I cant make up my mind if they are plain stupid or out and out corrupt

I cant make up my mind if they are plain stupid or out and out corrupt

It's perfectly possible to be both, Meercat; the ones who don't get caught out tend to be corrupt but not stupid, whereas A&F don't even seem to have the sense for that

And that's allowing for all the things the position enables them to hide ...

Thank you Rousette. I’ve gotten as far as the friend convicted Libyan Arms Dealer and gone wtf? It’s night time here now, so I’m saving this for the morning. It’s a two cups of coffee article for sure. I’m bamboozelled.

If worked this out this morning:

The question of what the money was for goes unanswered. (Although the Turkish millionairess thought the amount of £750,000 was paid to PA to secure a passport. However, Andrew and Sarah have settled with her now - settlement terms are not available).

So a mysterious amount of money ‘found its way’ into the Yorks’ bank accounts. But there is also other monies paid in regularly to SF’s account by salmon Turk but it’s a ‘loan’? Salman Turk wins a pitch@palace (PA’s thing) a very short while after?

No explanation is offered.

But Sarah is glad everything is hunky dory now.

And “neither the Duke nor the Duchess are accused of wrongdoing.”

I really need a pen and paper to work this out but I think that’s the point. It seems it’s meant to be confusing as fuck.

I meant to add, the whole thing reeks.

The question of what the money was for goes unanswered Isn't that just typical! Nothing is ever transparent with this greedy family.

Salman Turk wins a pitch@palace (PA’s thing) a very short while after?

Yes, and that was extremely dodgy. There were a lot of complaints about his winning. There were others far more worthy and qualified that were looked over and they were not happy.

This was only 2019 and it was a 'People's Choice Award'

1. Andrew had received two seperate payments of £750K and £350K from Turk via Isbilen after the event
2. The pitch was really really bad apparently
3. Amanda Thirsk (senior member of royal staff) was approached and felt it was gaming the system
4. He was pitching for something he didn't have a licence for
5. He received an extraordinary amount of votes thought to be generated by bots, because it beared no resemblance to second and third place votes

Andrew does Andrew quite obviously

Iwantcakeeveryday · Today 11:09
The question of what the money was for goes unanswered Isn't that just typical! Nothing is ever transparent with this greedy family.

I wouldn't damn the whole family for the Yorks' misdeeeds. There does seem to be a strong vein of "stupid" running thru' the family though. Fortunately (or not, according to your preference) it does seem to have missed the direct heirs.

An alternative theory to ponder is that such deals were so common place it wasn't stupidity or naivety that meant such huge gifts were not questioned, but familiarity/normality.

Tip of the iceberg????

I agree Bread... nothing to see here, just move on.

And what is really really galling is the fact that records on Andrew, his travel arrangements, where he went, what he did, whilst Trade Envoy have been sealed for over 100 years. So he escapes scot free.

Tip of the iceberg... a very very tiny speck of a tip, yes!

Spot on once again, and if there's the slighest chance of anything becoming transparent they move hell and high water to get it hidden under a 100 year rule / exemption from FoI Act / whatever

In fairness they're not alone in this since the same urge for covering up applies with governments too ... the difference being that they can be got rid of