Edward the new Duke of Edinburgh

[SnottyLottie]

www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/03/10/king-charles-prince-edward-royal-family-title-duke-edinburgh/

In order to honour Edward’s 59th birthday

I would think there's quite a few of us with teens doing their Duke of Edinburgh award and as a pp said, it's nice to put a face to the name again.

The heir uses the next most senior title as a courtesy title - so as Edward is now DofE, the next most senior title is Earl of Wessex so James could use that. If James has a son (unless the primogeniture rules get changed) while Edward and James are still alive, the son would be Viscount Severn.

There is precedent for a woman to become a duchess in her own right. An act of parliament in 1706 allowed the 1st Duke of Marlborough's daughters to inherit his English titles and the dukedom passed to his daughter Henrietta. She became the 2nd Duchess of Marlborough. Not sure if there are any other examples or examples in the royal family though.

I agree. Sophie and he both made a few mistakes when younger (like I did!) but they’ve learnt and worked hard and I’m really pleased for them.

I'm glad this decision was made. I wonder what other changes Charles will make before his coronation.

I remember Sophie doing some cycle trek across the country for the DofE. I admired her for that as she must have been around 50 then. I also remember the huge hugs she and her family shared when she arrived at BP. They seem like a lovely family.

I think that was her last event to get her silver DoE award.

I think Anne Boleyn was the first. Henry VIII created it for her. Obviously that title didn't travel on very far!

Sorry. She became Marquis of Pembroke.

Ah, I'm pleased for Edward and Sophie - the Queen and Prince Philip had already made it known that it was their wish, and Edward has already done a lot for the DoE award. I know 59 isn't a special birthday, but makes sense to announce it today, as the first birthday since the Queen's passing, and before the coronation.

James is now officially the Earl of Wessex; as pp have mentioned, he is now allowed to use his father's subsidiary title, as a courtesy, as he is the eldest son -I know it's Wikipedia, but this does explain it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtesy_titles_in_the_United_Kingdom

Have new LPs been issued to make the title non-hereditary? (Does anyone know how this works? Has it been done before?)
To be honest, it makes sense - it means that whoever decides to take over the DoE award in the future (probably a working royal) can then hold the title. Personally, I think that would be far too much pressure to put on James at his young age - the likelihood is that he won't be a working royal in the future (as his cousins, the York sisters, aren't), and he doesn't;t want his future role (as Chairman of the DoE award) already laid out for him as a teenager.

I like the Royal Family, but it makes me laugh when people say how hard they work.

Turning up to events, making small talk and eating nice food is not hard work.

Being a nurse on a busy ward or a cleaner is hard work.

More pointless Ruritarian nonsense and no-one in Scotland or Edinburgh asked if they want him to be their Duke. Isnt Wessex enough for the grifter ?

One of Edward VII's grand-daughters - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Alexandra,_2nd_Duchess_of_Fife

I think making small talk with people, always have to look like you're enjoying yourself, knowing every word you say could be reported to the press, out of context and be picked over, knowing you're always being judged on your appearance, I'd find that hard work and pretty boring. Not every job has to be physical to be hard work.

I have absolute no idea how any of this works, but is the reason it’s not hereditary so that it can be passed back ‘up the line’? When George is King for instance? Louis may become DofE?

Edward was at my son’s DofE gold ceremony at St James’ palace.

He was so bad at speaking to the young people. No warmth, banter or friendliness. Maybe he’ll be better if he’s the actual DofE 🤔

It might also raise his profile - the teens had no clue who he was.

That's what a lot of people are saying. This is a very prestigious royal Dukedom so Charles probably wanted it to remain within the direct royal line. Allowing Edward to have the Dukedom but not pass it on to his son seems like a compromise.

Cheap birthday present. CBA to nip to the shops? Sling him a title!
Honestly, it's ridiculous the amount of titles all these people have, for not doing very much at all. Worst is the military title and people like KM, who haven't been part of the armed forces, poncing about in camouflage

Charlotte will be likely to get Princess Royal at some point so she wouldn't need it. Though they might want a title for her husband and children but probably not Edinburgh.

They may be thinking that Duke of York (traditional for the second son) may be either unavailable or tainted when Louis marries so Edinburgh would be a good option for him.

I expect that the hope will be that it goes with working on the DoE Award Scheme so it will be a little dependent upon who takes that on in future.

It might be boring, but it is not hard work at all when you compare it to jobs which are actually hard work.

Given the choice, would you rather be a nurse in a busy ward or a member of the RF?

The lines of heredity in this family do my head in, but I must say it's bloody fascinating!

I remember an interview with Prince Edward after his father's death, where he (sort-of) explained that the DofE title reverted back to the Crown & it wouldn't be until his father was King that it could be given to anyone else.

I'm glad he has it now. He & the lovely Sophie could do much good with this.

So, Sophie is now the Duchess of Edinburgh? Given that was one of QE2's lesser titles, she must be thrilled.

How would you define hard work?

I wonder if Charles will change the rules so women are equal to men, so Louise would inherit the title. He really should!

I don't think he can change 'the rules' in general as that's part of British law?

However, he, or William can create a peerage pretty much as he chooses, and could specify that it can pass down the female line.

I was wondering this too.

But also, how does Prince relate to this?

Does Prince not trump all their others - Duke, Earl, Marquess etc?

Or is it on a different tiering system?

I've been wondering this for a while. Like how William is Prince William and also a Duke?