Harry and Meghan EVICTED from Frogmore, keys handed to Prince Andrew

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What do you think?

I'm not surprised. I wonder if Harry and Meghan will buy a new UK residence.

I don't cheer any of that on. I object to the word paedo and the rest. There is plenty to criticise Andrew for, a huge long list. But not that.

Another obie scobie spin... the sussexes have been asked to vacate.... how can you vacate a property when you are not resident there? You can remove your furniture, but as they have already packed up and removed most of it, they were aware the lease was not going to be extended.

They are simply not having the lease renewed on a property they don't use. Totally sensible.

I wonder if it means now that Harry doesn't have a permanent residence in the UK he must now seek to become an American citizen, get a green card and pay American taxes? Hooray... bye Hazza!

Harry and Meghan, through their spokesperson, have confirmed they have been asked to "vacate" Frogmore Cottage. They have not called it an "eviction". The press has done that.

Rebecca English has written for the Daily Mail that this was done to make Royal Lodge available to William and his family, because apparently, it's a big problem that their children are sometimes invited to parties at houses bigger than their own. Her words, not mine.

Andrew, is apparently, fighting the move.

It's popcorn time in the House of Windsor. Harry and Meghan are well out of it, in my view, and if this means they won't be coming to the Coronation, I think it's a great move for all parties.

This way, they can focus on their life "overseas" and their next "official" Royal visit may well be in 20 or so years, for the funeral of Charles, if he lives as long as his mother.

Rebecca writes about the security implications of this decision, and says, correctly, I think, that this "eviction" means Charles may not see his grandchildren Archie and Lili again, but as she says, he made this decision "as a King not a Father" so I am sure he will have taken all the implications on board and made the decision anyway.

The Windsors are essentially Darwinian. Their instinct is survival. If it means they cut off a non-conforming member, they will do it, to survive. They have ice in their veins. It is what has made them survive upheaval after upheaval. I hope Harry and Meghan take the lesson: there is no home here for them, there is no father, and no brother, no family. Just cogs in an institution that will always act like an institution. The family they crave is the one they will create.

Harry said on Colbert that he describes his life as being about "freedom, happiness, space, clarity, and love." I sincerely hope that he and Meghan focus on that, and wish them well.

I'm not speculating incestous feelings, I'm saying he groped her. Which he did. It's just fact. I saw it live on TV, couldn't believe my eyes, went on twitter and loads of people were talking about it at the time. So I didn't imagine it. And the videos are there on Youtube.

@AmandaJonah and @adrianmolesmole

The pair of you are awful, really. Labelling someone as a sexual abuser of his own children is a very serious charge. And to do it based on nothing more than your dislike for the man, is plain unacceptable. You undermine any decent arguments you ever had when you make up crap like that.

Harry must be gaining a sense of what a vulnerable position he has created for himself. He has lashed out at them to provoke acknowledgment but now he has as good as lost them. I really hope that he is not screwed over by Meghan and her machine because he wont be able to cope.

Meghan is an American citizen, and therefore pays taxes in the US.

Harry has always had an investor visa (E-2) to live and work in the US, and therefore pays taxes in the US. Their company and foundation Archewell also pays taxes in the US.

This has always been the case since they moved to the US and set up Archewell, and has nothing to do with whether they have a lease on Frogmore Cottage or not.

@MarshaMelrose I clarified upthread that he is (was) a friend of a pedo, which is true. I didn't actually say that he was a sexual abuser of his own children. But I did say he groped his daughter in public, which is also true. Watch the video. I'm not making it up, I saw it on tv myself, as did many people.

@MrsMaxDeWinter The Windsors are essentially Darwinian. Their instinct is survival. If it means they cut off a non-conforming member, they will do it, to survive. They have ice in their veins. It is what has made them survive upheaval after upheaval. I hope Harry and Meghan take the lesson: there is no home here for them, there is no father, and no brother, no family. Just cogs in an institution that will always act like an institution. The family they crave is the one they will create.

Harry said on Colbert that he describes his life as being about "freedom, happiness, space, clarity, and love." I sincerely hope that he and Meghan focus on that, and wish them well.

Well said, and I agree.

Meghan and her machine 🙄

I'm sure they'll be fine.

I know the video you are talking about. He did not "grope" his daughter. He caressed her back, as they were looking at flowers on the ground. Andrew is not a nice person, and has shown poor judgement but it is really off to say he "groped" his daughter in public a day after his mother died. It's unpleasant, and unnecessary, and most important, it is untrue.

@MrsMaxDeWinter

Great post. So agree with the survival of the RF at all costs.

If what REnglish is true, I'm shocked, they need a bigger house because of parties for the children? Surely that cannot be true.... I'm sure the parents of the party children know exactly who the children of K&W are... do they need a bigger house to feel better....

It's all a bit unsavoury, H&M are well out of it. It was 'vacating' not 'evicting'.

True @MrsMaxDeWinter they pay taxes in the US. even Harry.

If the lease on Frogmore ran out, then being asked to vacate would simply mean the lease has not been renewed. So it would make sense that they have been asked to vacate.

Eviction is a completely different process and a scary sounding word used by the press to conjure up feelings in the British public. Again.

Didn't they say in the docu that they had removed all their belongings from Frogmore last fall? Or am I misremembering?

It isn't bring used by them and it's unlikely they are paying anything towards the upkeep. Sensible decision IMHO.

Hmm. Are we believing something written in the DM?

Indeed, she said it. The Royal Rota clearly know how bad this looks for Charles, especially in view of the ongoing court case over security, so the propaganda machine is out spinning hard. There will be more spinning in the days ahead. But it's clear that the end point is to benefit the Heir at the expense to the Spare. Once you understand that, it all becomes clear. What's up in the air is whether Andrew will play along. I really hope that Harry and Meghan accept this with dignity, pack up the house at the earliest opportunity before the summer and leave them all to play musical houses.

I am however curious to know whether the renovation costs will be refunded to them. Somehow, I think not.

I didn't quote the article and I said if

Or did you miss that? If If If If

I've seen it. It wasn't a grope. He had his hand on her back comforting her. He bent down to look at the tributes and his hand fell down her back and in front of him. He didn't linger or caress or reach out to touch her. It's really disgusting to suggest he acted sexually inappropriately. He's shown enough bad judgement in his life you could go after, stop making stuff up.

@MrsMaxDeWinter ..freedom, clarity, happiness love etc is what Harry wants. I just never realised that you have to trash your family to get it.

Let's hope he applies for American citizenship and leaves us in peace. We really want our privacy back as a country, and I'm sure the RF feel the same. They may just need a worldwide privacy tour, too.

@onlylarkin Yes, they removed and packed up a lot of stuff, so the writing was on the wall then.

They have been told the cottage is available until after the coronation, so they will have a base if required.

I'm not a fan of H&M due their vanity and vacuousness but we're all Darwinian, or else we wouldn't be here. They're not as fragile as you'd like to portray them as.

It's a good idea to cut ties with a residence in the UK and Counsellor of State but agree this was thought out beforehand and not really an 'eviction'

I'm sorry but he absolutely did. It is not untrue. He caressed her back, then cupped her bottom. Sorry to be so graphic but it's true. No one normal does that, do they? It's not normal behaviour. But, people, carry on defending him. Whatever.

After the publication of Spare etc, it would be inconceivable to allow H&M to have private access to the senior royals or to live on the Windsor estate. They will be kept at arms length forever now - much like the disloyal Duke & Duchess of Windsor. This was an inevitable development and one they must surely have expected? Unless they’re stupid?

We know that "never complain and never explain" exits only in theory.

If they wanted to modernise, they would just have a press secretary who briefs the media on the record, but no, they act like a medieval court fuelled by gossip and backbiting.

Camilla and Charles have not employed an ex-editor of the Daily Mail for shits and giggles. Of course this is the official line, through "sources" and people "close" to the King. It's how Charles operated throughout his marriage breakdown with Diana, it's how, through the dark and effective arts of Mark Bolland, Camilla got to the point where she is now -- I give you Her Fragrant Majesty, Queen Camilla and not HRH, Camilla , The Princess Consort.

You would have to be blind not to see that the Royal family is in bed with the tabloids, and with the Daily Mail in particular.

It was really important that they feed a BIG story to kill off the criticism Charles got over his unwise meeting with Ursula VDL. I expect to see, in the next days, Kay, Jobson, Tominey and all the Usual Suspects writing about what an agonising decision this was for Charles, but how he still loves his son, really, really loves him, loves him so much that this decision hurts him more than it hurts Harry and Meghan...

Andrew won't play ball though, so expect to see the always game Lady Victoria Hervey on the talk show circuit talking about how jealous the King has always been of his brother Andrew, and how this is all driven by jealousy, before she lands a permanent gig on GBNews, of course!

He isn't the spare. Institution wise he is nothing now.

And that R English article missing rubbish. No-one has childrens parties at home anymore. Doesn't she know anything.