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laurwalsh · 2023-02-25T17:59:01+00:00

My friend just sent me this. I adore Gabor mate and the work he does. His book 'in the realms of hungry ghosts' was life changing for me who had suffered serious addiction issues. But am I being too harsh to feel disappointed he's jumping on this band wagon of garbage. I'm sorry but Harry we're sick of listening to your trauma and no offence you've sung it to death, (and I don't even think it's that bad relative to how much he has gone on and on about it) and trauma aside you're a complete hypocrite with how you've treated you're family and the trauma you've put them through!!

PlanetLuna · 26/02/2023 23:19

@MarshaMelrose @Novella4

If you read Spare or watch the Netflix, there are numerous examples of the RR, RF, or palace press offices either leaking or failing to correct/challenge blatantly false stories about H/M.
While correcting or blocking true stories about others. Examples:

Prince Charles allowed the report that Harry as a young teen was in rehab, in part to rehabilitate Charles’ own image.
It was a lie that was understandably damaging to Harry.
The press has published false stories about his military service, labelled him a coward when his tours were delayed through no fault of his own, etc.
Bad press was suppressed about Andrew and William (affairs, misuse of government resources) in exchange for numerous negative & false articles about Meghan/Harry.
The US published articles about William’s alleged affair & the scandal of his use of a public helicopter to visit his mistress (before he was gifted his own helicopter). The RF had those stories blocked in the UK. But coincidentally a slew of anti-Meghan articles came out immediately when this happened.

BeautifulDayintheneighbourhood · 26/02/2023 23:34

Numerous stories about Harry that could have been damaging have also been squashed. That’s how it all works. Just because salacious tittle tattle is published abroad doesn’t mean it has any basis in truth in any case. I thought the US didn’t have tabloid Press by the way? I assume that’s where these stories were to be found.

PlanetLuna · 27/02/2023 00:04

BeautifulDayintheneighbourhood · 26/02/2023 23:18

I feel very sorry for their children. Two parents with such massive issues, no wider family to dilute living in that echo chamber of unmet needs, anger and self absorption. At least Harry had grandparents , cousins and other family members around .

@BeautifulDayintheneighbourhood
Are you referring to Harry & Meghan’s children? 🧐 If so…

I feel sorry that their parents have been subjected to this ridiculous shitstorm in defence of an archaic royal institution and unscrupulous tabloid media empire.

I feel sorry that their parents have been bullied relentless by those same institutions and by bored members of the public who have made hating the couple a national pastime (there’s your psychotic echo chamber). People who then have the nerve to express concern “for the children”.

Even so, those children are lucky, happy, and healthy. They have wonderful, healthy parents who are in love, devoted to each other, and faithful.

Harry is a courageous whistleblower who is breaking the cycle of abuse and dysfunction. Those children are the ultimate beneficiaries.

Meghan is a loving mum, homemaker, an effective activist, and just a good person.

They have a beautiful home in sunny CA, with freedom, financial success, and security.

They are surrounded by loving, non-toxic friends and family.

They are all of them beloved and appreciated.

So I congratulate that little family and wish them continued success and happiness. 😀

adrianmolesmole · 27/02/2023 02:17

What people forget is that Harry has lived his whole life in public through no choice of his own. It makes sense that he is processing his trauma in public. If anyone doesn't like it, don't pay attention.

This looks very interesting, I have never heard of Gabor Mate before but I've saved his book When the Body Says No in my wish list, it looks like something I need to read!

adrianmolesmole · 27/02/2023 02:19

@PlanetLuna Absolutely agree with you.

Morestrangethings · 27/02/2023 02:56

No one wants him to stop talking about his personal trauma and it's affect on him...just stop inflicting it on others.

No one here is forced to listen to Harry talking about his personal trauma. It’s a choice. We can choose to consume what Harry has to say, or choose not to. Just as we can choose to read the very many articles about him, or not.

Who here is being forced to listen to Harry talk?

pompomdaisy · 27/02/2023 04:40

I prefer to watch Southpark. I think they nailed the Harry situation!

0o0o0o0 · 27/02/2023 16:02

drivinmecrazy · 25/02/2023 18:22

I think they're all discrediting themselves in this 'event'.
For £17 you can join this live event and get a free copy of 'spare'.
Reading behind the headlines this is just a cynical marketing ploy.
I'm sure It will rake in the money but what more is there to be said.
Unless this is actually Harry's addiction therapist ???

It's £2 more than that to view from the UK

purpledalmation · 27/02/2023 19:24

@PlanetLuna
Royal sources admitted Harry went to rehab with Charles (because that's what a loving father does to support his son) after the papers got hold of it. He didn't leak anything, it was in the public domain so they could do nothing but admit it. Harry was 16. How does throwing his son under the bus rehabilitate charles? It doesn't make sense.

Can you link stories about Harry being called a coward in Afghanistan? I can't find anything.

Andrew wasn't protected by the palace, he's been crucified by world press. William? An affair which has no evidence to support it? Just a random tweet (rapidly withdrawn before he could be sued) by an acquaintance of the couple. If the tweeter knew it was true he could have left it up. He didn't as he would be sued. In exchange for bad press for M&H? Why? it makes no sense? Helicopters and US reports? Sounds as delusional as Harry and Meghan. If there was evidence..eye witnesses, photographs, testimony by the OW, text messages, hacked phone conversations...it would be slightly believable...but oh look. Nothing. A big fat zero. Starting gossip is so easy.

704703hey · 27/02/2023 20:16

Starseeed · 26/02/2023 17:37

I know this because I’ve worked through my own stuff: Good mental health is a privilege of those who have been brought up with reasonably emotionally attentive parents. In that sense, Harry isn’t at all privileged. He has the physical trappings of privilege but none of the emotional ones. In a world that is blind to emotions, of course he seems well off, but once your eyes are opened to the emotional world you’d see he’s very poor. It’s exactly because he’s physically rich that he’s had the means to delve into and bring to light his emotional poverty, and that’s hugely important for the emotional health of the rest of the world.

Emotional neglect - especially over a long period of time - is as damaging as overt abuse. Some therapists call it ‘death by a thousand paper cuts’ (Nicole Sachs). Another therapist (Pete Walker) says if emotional neglect was understood (he badges it ‘complex PTSD’ then the whole DSM (the American mental disorders diagnostics manual) would shrink to one diagnosis (paraphrasing - apologies can’t remember the exact quote but that’s the gist).

The thing is, people only tend to accept and are able to look at what they’ve been able to face in themselves.

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No, good mental health isn't whining non stop and inflicting it on other people in your personal and press life.

There comes a time when you learn to live with it. Not Harry though as he thinks he's too precious, although he has a very large family and stability from that.

Howsimplywonderful · 27/02/2023 20:52

@PlanetLuna

‘They are surrounded by loving non toxic friends’ - I’m sure Ellen’s ex employees wouldn’t describe her as such, or some of her guests.
They would describe her as a toxic bully, much like many of Meghan’s ex staff would describe her too

Novella4 · 27/02/2023 21:00

@PlanetLuna

I have read Spare ( well listened - Harry is a good reader )
I agree with you

@purpledalmation
What proof ? How about from a royal insider who has told some of the truth about how they operate . I assume you haven't read Spare ?
I'd say Harry has a better idea of how the 'royals' operate than you do

I say 'some ' of the truth because if you read the book you'd see he was relatively restrained ( not about himself - he put it all out there ) about the 'royals'
I hope he publishes the 400 pages that he held back

Novella4 · 27/02/2023 21:18

Oh and @purpledalmation I assume you know what a D notice is re the media ?

www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jul/31/d-notice-system-state-media-press-freedom#comments

adrianmolesmole · 27/02/2023 21:29

@purpledalmation How does throwing his son under the bus rehabilitate charles? It doesn't make sense.

The seven-page spread about Harry's drug addiction was false, the paper even repurposed pics of a rehab centre from a working visit Harry made a few weeks earlier, and making it look like Harry was there as an addict. The idea was to throw Harry under the bus to make Charles look like a "harried dad trying his best" and rehab his rep after Diana's death, which was on the floor. Charles and Camilla hired a spin doctor (Bolland) to help their image who orchestrated this and other things at the expense of Harry and other family members. But he didn't do any of it without C & C's permission. Lovely, caring parents, eh?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/24/prince-harry-says-he-was-collateral-damage-in-camillas-pr-ascent

adrianmolesmole · 27/02/2023 21:34

@704703hey No, good mental health isn't whining non stop and inflicting it on other people in your personal and press life.
There comes a time when you learn to live with it. Not Harry though as he thinks he's too precious, although he has a very large family and stability from that.

Oh aren't you lovely and kind. I'm glad I'm not part of your family or friendship circle. A large family does not automatically equal stability.

purpledalmation · 27/02/2023 21:35

Novella4 · 27/02/2023 21:00

@PlanetLuna

I have read Spare ( well listened - Harry is a good reader )
I agree with you

@purpledalmation
What proof ? How about from a royal insider who has told some of the truth about how they operate . I assume you haven't read Spare ?
I'd say Harry has a better idea of how the 'royals' operate than you do

I say 'some ' of the truth because if you read the book you'd see he was relatively restrained ( not about himself - he put it all out there ) about the 'royals'
I hope he publishes the 400 pages that he held back

😂😂 you call Spare 'restrained'! Oh my goodness, talk of todgers, drugs and unfortunate sexual encounters is hardly restrained. Oh you mean the RF? Dog bowls, baldness and baby brain? Also restrained?

He lied multiple times in the book and has the cheek to say that because it's how he remembered it, it's the truth. Lord help us.

purpledalmation · 27/02/2023 21:38

Novella4 · 27/02/2023 21:18

Oh and @purpledalmation I assume you know what a D notice is re the media ?

www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jul/31/d-notice-system-state-media-press-freedom#comments

Just because they exist doesn't mean they have or they haven't been used. You don't know, neither do I, but you presume to tell me you know the truth because such a system exists? Mmm. I need to sleep on that conundrum

purpledalmation · 27/02/2023 21:44

adrianmolesmole · 27/02/2023 21:29

@purpledalmation How does throwing his son under the bus rehabilitate charles? It doesn't make sense.

The seven-page spread about Harry's drug addiction was false, the paper even repurposed pics of a rehab centre from a working visit Harry made a few weeks earlier, and making it look like Harry was there as an addict. The idea was to throw Harry under the bus to make Charles look like a "harried dad trying his best" and rehab his rep after Diana's death, which was on the floor. Charles and Camilla hired a spin doctor (Bolland) to help their image who orchestrated this and other things at the expense of Harry and other family members. But he didn't do any of it without C & C's permission. Lovely, caring parents, eh?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/24/prince-harry-says-he-was-collateral-damage-in-camillas-pr-ascent

And? That proves nothing whatsoever. The only person saying Harry was used as a pawn to make camilla look better was....Harry! What a surprise. The article merely says Camilla hired a canny PR man (in much the same way as Harry and Meghan have a PR team) to improve her public image. Why shouldn't she? She'd had years of vitriol poured over her and needed an image revamp. No conspiracy, no leaking and no planting of delusional Harry stories.

adrianmolesmole · 27/02/2023 21:49

Starseeed · 26/02/2023 17:37

I know this because I’ve worked through my own stuff: Good mental health is a privilege of those who have been brought up with reasonably emotionally attentive parents. In that sense, Harry isn’t at all privileged. He has the physical trappings of privilege but none of the emotional ones. In a world that is blind to emotions, of course he seems well off, but once your eyes are opened to the emotional world you’d see he’s very poor. It’s exactly because he’s physically rich that he’s had the means to delve into and bring to light his emotional poverty, and that’s hugely important for the emotional health of the rest of the world.

Emotional neglect - especially over a long period of time - is as damaging as overt abuse. Some therapists call it ‘death by a thousand paper cuts’ (Nicole Sachs). Another therapist (Pete Walker) says if emotional neglect was understood (he badges it ‘complex PTSD’ then the whole DSM (the American mental disorders diagnostics manual) would shrink to one diagnosis (paraphrasing - apologies can’t remember the exact quote but that’s the gist).

The thing is, people only tend to accept and are able to look at what they’ve been able to face in themselves.

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Such a good post @Starseeed If more people were aware of the pervasive damage of emotional neglect they would be more sympathetic of Harry and less of his family, or rather, the 'institution' he grew up in.

adrianmolesmole · 27/02/2023 21:53

@purpledalmation You were asking how throwing his son under a bus rehabilitate charles. I just told you how, so... And it worked.

Novella4 · 27/02/2023 21:53

@purpledalmation

So you state that just because D notices exist that doesn't mean they are used .
Sure Jan .

Also you need to read more carefully
I said restrained about the 'royals'. And as I assume you've read Soare - you'd know that .

You appear outraged about Harry taking drugs as a youth . What is your response to the drugs story involving camillas family ? You never mention it .
Odd that .

Starseeed · 27/02/2023 21:58

@704703hey

No, good mental health isn't whining non stop and inflicting it on other people in your personal and press life.

Well exactly. Harry doesn’t have good mental health, as I said. I don’t think you understood my post.

No one is inflicting anything on you. You’re an adult and have agency to not open threads, not read his books, not watch his interviews etc. Something being inflicted on you would imply you don’t have agency. If you feel you don’t have agency, that you’re stuck, you quite possibly have childhood scripts / emotional trauma of your own running the show. Feeling stuck is a ‘freeze’ response to emotional trauma.

There comes a time when you learn to live with it. Not Harry though as he thinks he's too precious, although he has a very large family and stability from that.

Clearly Harry isn’t there yet. Processing grief and trauma isn’t pretty, it’s messy and can take time. There isn’t a time limit. What makes you so uncomfortable about someone being in pain? Genuine question worth looking at.

purpledalmation · 27/02/2023 22:02

Novella4 · 27/02/2023 21:53

@purpledalmation

So you state that just because D notices exist that doesn't mean they are used .
Sure Jan .

Also you need to read more carefully
I said restrained about the 'royals'. And as I assume you've read Soare - you'd know that .

You appear outraged about Harry taking drugs as a youth . What is your response to the drugs story involving camillas family ? You never mention it .
Odd that .

I said because they exist, there is no proof they were used. But as I can't prove a negative, you can think what you like. Doesn't make it true. Bit like your heroes. They think they can say what they like and it is their truth.

I don't think it's restrained to talk about family fights (all one sided of course) or baldness or williams circumcision or baby brain.... I could go on.

adrianmolesmole · 27/02/2023 22:04

purpledalmation · 27/02/2023 21:35

😂😂 you call Spare 'restrained'! Oh my goodness, talk of todgers, drugs and unfortunate sexual encounters is hardly restrained. Oh you mean the RF? Dog bowls, baldness and baby brain? Also restrained?

He lied multiple times in the book and has the cheek to say that because it's how he remembered it, it's the truth. Lord help us.

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You really haven't read the book, have you? All you've done is repeat tabloid shoutouts.

He lied multiple times in the book and has the cheek to say that because it's how he remembered it, it's the truth. Lord help us.

Where has he lied multiple times? He said himself his memory isn't great due to trauma, how is that lying then, just by relaying what he can, while being honest about that fact?

purpledalmation · 27/02/2023 22:04

@Novella4 Oh, and I'm not at all outraged about Harry taking drugs. I used to with my friends when I was young. I didn't continue though after I had children as I read Harry does. I hope I'm mistaken about that as smoking weed around kids is continuing a cycle of abuse.