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Harry and Gabor

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laurwalsh · 25/02/2023 17:59

My friend just sent me this. I adore Gabor mate and the work he does. His book 'in the realms of hungry ghosts' was life changing for me who had suffered serious addiction issues. But am I being too harsh to feel disappointed he's jumping on this band wagon of garbage. I'm sorry but Harry we're sick of listening to your trauma and no offence you've sung it to death, (and I don't even think it's that bad relative to how much he has gone on and on about it) and trauma aside you're a complete hypocrite with how you've treated you're family and the trauma you've put them through!!

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FloorWipes · 07/03/2023 09:28

I feel are going round in circles. I'm still not sure I know why parenting criticism is off limits, though I can definitely see why one shouldn't just engage in gratuitous meanness on the theme of parenting. Ultimately none of us know what their parenting is like, and being warm and loving isn't the be all and end all of parenting either. Who can say. I'm not sure that makes it wrong for someone to express an opinion on, for example, the potential impact of fame or substance use in the home on children. It's only an opinion obviously. If I thought Harry and Meghan were reading the thread then there's a whole other set of considerations. It's a tricky one.

Rinoachicken · 07/03/2023 09:31

Since Prince Harry has very publicly voiced his concerns about the well-being of William and Kate’s children, it doesn’t seem unreasonable for people to seek to examine his parenting of his own children.

Howsimplywonderful · 07/03/2023 09:33

I think some posters took the ‘I’ll make my children great’ style comments as rather narcissistic, but perhaps those statements were more of the ‘my children won’t watch TV ‘ style or statements many parents make before actually having children.

Plitvice · 07/03/2023 09:36

The odds are that two emotionally stable parents with a close support network will do a better job of it then two stoners from "broken homes" who have ostracized themselves from both sides of the family and are making crazy decisions to keep living beyond their means.

It is usually the backfooters who cast the first stone when it comes to criticizing parenting because they are desperate for feedback on how they are perceived without realizing that nobody knows or cares.

notanotheroneagain · 07/03/2023 09:38

Rinoachicken · 07/03/2023 09:31

Since Prince Harry has very publicly voiced his concerns about the well-being of William and Kate’s children, it doesn’t seem unreasonable for people to seek to examine his parenting of his own children.

Harry never criticised W&K parenting style.

He was concerned about the institution and how they treat spares.

purpledalmation · 07/03/2023 09:40

@Roussette But Harry doesn't speak warmly of his family throughout? He does in some segments of course, but he also says conflicting harmful things. Listening to Harry I think somewhere along the line a therapist has listened to him and advised him it's ok to cut your family out of your life, because this is what he has done. It comes under the heading garbage in, garbage out.

And if you think having a father continuing to use drugs and have therapy is good for children... really?
I have no doubt that the couple love their children and so far are parenting them well. Long term, no one knows, but I wouldn't criticise their parenting at the moment apart from the drug taking. Simply because children pick up on this very quickly, so Harry needs to sort it out asap.

Roussette · 07/03/2023 09:43

Plitvice · 07/03/2023 09:36

The odds are that two emotionally stable parents with a close support network will do a better job of it then two stoners from "broken homes" who have ostracized themselves from both sides of the family and are making crazy decisions to keep living beyond their means.

It is usually the backfooters who cast the first stone when it comes to criticizing parenting because they are desperate for feedback on how they are perceived without realizing that nobody knows or cares.

Does your first paragraph refer to Harry & Meghan?

Howsimplywonderful · 07/03/2023 09:44

Kate Middleton’s brother was diagnosed with adhd in adulthood, his interviews on the subject are far more insightful than Harry’s

Roussette · 07/03/2023 09:44

purpledalmation · 07/03/2023 09:40

@Roussette But Harry doesn't speak warmly of his family throughout? He does in some segments of course, but he also says conflicting harmful things. Listening to Harry I think somewhere along the line a therapist has listened to him and advised him it's ok to cut your family out of your life, because this is what he has done. It comes under the heading garbage in, garbage out.

And if you think having a father continuing to use drugs and have therapy is good for children... really?
I have no doubt that the couple love their children and so far are parenting them well. Long term, no one knows, but I wouldn't criticise their parenting at the moment apart from the drug taking. Simply because children pick up on this very quickly, so Harry needs to sort it out asap.

Where have I said he should continue to use drugs? Where?

Nowhere.

I think he should lay off the waccy baccy.

Howsimplywonderful · 07/03/2023 09:50

That circle Harry has immersed himself in, are all rather fond of the waccy baccy, which will make it harder to stop socially

Plitvice · 07/03/2023 09:55

I finally appreciate why Harry ran off to Vancouver in the very beginning. I mean, you can probably get any substance on earth nicely gift wrapped with calligraphy and dispatched to a Vancouver Island address within minutes of ordering it. I bet they were like Max and Duke raiding the wiener factory after escaping from the pound in The Secret Life Of Pets! 😆

Howsimplywonderful · 07/03/2023 09:57

www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/celebrities/news/a25866051/james-middleton-reveals-depression-struggles/

here is a counter balance to Harry’s interview.

Roussette · 07/03/2023 10:00

@Plitvice I asked if this was referring to Harry & Meghan? You haven't answered.

"The odds are that two emotionally stable parents with a close support network will do a better job of it then two stoners from "broken homes" who have ostracized themselves from both sides of the family and are making crazy decisions to keep living beyond their means"

If so, does anyone wonder why I posted first thing this morning about the ever increasing insults about these two people. Perhaps I have it wrong, and it's nothing to do with H&M....

Howsimplywonderful · 07/03/2023 10:06

Yet here you are trying to drag conversations to your own narrow focus and area of expertise ‘the insults to Harry and Meghan and now if William and Kate…. ‘ any away from any valid criticism of their actions

jeffgoldblum · 07/03/2023 10:14

I know it's anyone's right to post what they want and I hate it myself when posters police threads ,
But I really wish we could leave Meghan and w and k off this one thread , it really has nothing to do with the discussion.

Morestrangethings · 07/03/2023 10:22

Same reason you don’t criticise them @FloorWipes no one here knows them so how can a person criticise them for their parenting?

StartupRepair · 07/03/2023 10:47

Harry does not appear to say anywhere that he considers his drug use a problem or thinks it impairs his parenting. He told us that he was high from gas and air for Archie's birth. There's no evidence that he has any intention of stopping.

Morestrangethings · 07/03/2023 10:49

Rinoachicken · 07/03/2023 09:31

Since Prince Harry has very publicly voiced his concerns about the well-being of William and Kate’s children, it doesn’t seem unreasonable for people to seek to examine his parenting of his own children.

Then Prince William can voice his opinion about how Harry raises his kids. They know each other.

We know neither of them. So it’s all just conjecture here, and some of it is mean spirited. Some posts with 😂😂 after it. Meaning people think they are being funny about their musings on possible consequences of being raised by Harry and Meghan.

Morestrangethings · 07/03/2023 10:56

purpledalmation · 07/03/2023 09:40

@Roussette But Harry doesn't speak warmly of his family throughout? He does in some segments of course, but he also says conflicting harmful things. Listening to Harry I think somewhere along the line a therapist has listened to him and advised him it's ok to cut your family out of your life, because this is what he has done. It comes under the heading garbage in, garbage out.

And if you think having a father continuing to use drugs and have therapy is good for children... really?
I have no doubt that the couple love their children and so far are parenting them well. Long term, no one knows, but I wouldn't criticise their parenting at the moment apart from the drug taking. Simply because children pick up on this very quickly, so Harry needs to sort it out asap.

As alcohol is the most damaging drug of all, there are then many parents that had better sort that out.

smilesy · 07/03/2023 11:07

Morestrangethings · 07/03/2023 10:56

As alcohol is the most damaging drug of all, there are then many parents that had better sort that out.

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You are correct. Alcohol is damaging. But this does not mean that other drugs are not damaging too and is not an excuse for Harry to endorse their use. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/03/2023 11:16

Most experts in his field use a series of tests and a number of interviews to diagnose, it it’s no wonder many professionals have condemned it along with giving someone a diagnosis live on air

All that I've found on ggole suggests that Gabor's a physician with an "interest" in the areas he's now talking about, but not a trained psychotherapist.
I've no idea of that's strictly accurate or not, but if it is, what was he doing diagnosing someone with ADHD on air at all?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/03/2023 11:17

Google of course - what a typo Blush

BadgerB · 07/03/2023 11:20

Novella4 · Today 08:24
Harry triggers the royalists because Harry is real .

Yes, he is, isn't he? That's the tragedy. As a fictional character he might have been acceptable.

jeffgoldblum · 07/03/2023 11:25

BadgerB · 07/03/2023 11:20

Novella4 · Today 08:24
Harry triggers the royalists because Harry is real .

Yes, he is, isn't he? That's the tragedy. As a fictional character he might have been acceptable.

I'm sorry, that really made me laugh 😂 @BadgerB!

Morestrangethings · 07/03/2023 11:26

smilesy · 07/03/2023 11:07

You are correct. Alcohol is damaging. But this does not mean that other drugs are not damaging too and is not an excuse for Harry to endorse their use. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

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Im not trying to make 2 wrongs make a right. I’m not advocating for marijuana or any drugs here. But alcohol has to be addressed alongside other drugs. It never will be - people don’t want to give it up and it’s big business too. Available in pubs and bottle shops restaurants cafes etc near us all. It just doesn’t get the recognition or censure that other drugs do. If people want to criticise Harry smoking weed then they should make sure they don’t indulge in alcohol in front of their children, at least, before pointing the finger.

More power to you for responding to my post on alcohol.