Harry and Gabor

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My friend just sent me this. I adore Gabor mate and the work he does. His book 'in the realms of hungry ghosts' was life changing for me who had suffered serious addiction issues. But am I being too harsh to feel disappointed he's jumping on this band wagon of garbage. I'm sorry but Harry we're sick of listening to your trauma and no offence you've sung it to death, (and I don't even think it's that bad relative to how much he has gone on and on about it) and trauma aside you're a complete hypocrite with how you've treated you're family and the trauma you've put them through!!

You sure the kids are fine? I mean he has cut his kids off from the King. They are going to read about his blue penis, losing his virginity and taking drugs. He is spouting everything that pops into his head. How does even Meghan find this attractive now? Its embarrassing.

How does even Meghan find this attractive now? Its embarrassing.

Surely she must have the ick by now?

Or is this over ridden whilst the cash continues to roll in?

What do they have yet to deliver jointly and contractually on their Netflix and Spotify deals?

Well, you have people like MGK and Charlie Sheen also competing for dad of the year around there so Harry is fairly tame in comparison. There are specific private schools where it would be really uncool to bully somebody for any of that and they will exist in that privileged bubble and completely lose perspective over what the Brits feel about them.

He's evidently not healed or healing.

You can tell this because healed people move on with their lives, let go of bitterness and end cycles of drama. He's not doing any of that.

He's making a living and his purpose in repeated public analysis of his terrible life, his terrible family, the terrible media, but his amazing wife. Whilst telling us he's so happy.

The dissonance between what he says and how he's acting is actually very uncomfortable as it demonstrates he's very unwell or very unstable and likely to continue to engage in self destructive drama.

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@ChinoiserieNerd and @StalkedByASpider

My DH has diagnosed ADHD so I do know the condition. When I say me, me, me, I don't mean he is selfish and self centred, rather all the other symptoms he has, plus the anxiety, cause him to focus on what's happening in his head and he sometimes forgets about the affect on other people. When you are struggling to concentrate and focus you have to block out others and concentrate on the 'me'. Unfortunately he has all the symptoms listed. It doesn't make him a selfish person just someone who struggles to focus.

•	carelessness and lack of attention to detail
•	continually starting new tasks before finishing old ones
•	poor organisational skills
•	inability to focus or prioritise
•	continually losing or misplacing things
•	forgetfulness
•	restlessness and edginess
•	difficulty keeping quiet, and speaking out of turn
•	blurting out responses and often interrupting others
•	mood swings, irritability and a quick temper
•	inability to deal with stress
•	extreme impatience
•	taking risks in activities, often with little or no regard for personal safety or the safety of others – for example, driving dangerously

Ayahuasca is a very bad idea for somebody with Harry's mental health profile - very bad indeed. I know Gabor hasn't guided him in that decision (I honestly hope not!) but judging by his work, he is not the person who is going to give it to him straight either.

It’s not so much about being bullied for your dads behaviour as just knowing about it all and having any kind of respect for him. I don’t want to know this kind of personal stuff about my dad. He’s my dad.

Gosh even I have the ick and don’t have to go to bed with him.

Wouldn’t all of these symptoms as easily indicate substance abuse?

The sound of Harry's penis squeaking and squealing on the South Park window gave all womanhood the ick.

I think early cannabis use is associated with paranoia and he has that in spades.

Fair enough. My dad was like Prince Harry on steroids so I never had it 'normal' in that sense but never a dull moment!
A respectful relationship sounds nicer.

Whether you agree or disagree I genuinely think Harry believes that being open about his trauma and how it has caused ongoing MH issues is something he should do because of the global platform he has.

This will probably get deleted so read quickly but he talks about cocaine, cannabis etc but my mate also saw him kick mdma off his fingers at a party. So there is multiple drug abuse going on with this one.

Oh that’s another thread in itself 😜

I think this is such a good point.

Proper therapy IS hard work. It's uncomfortable. It's difficult to get better, because you have to push yourself out of the boundaries of your comfort zone and the safety mechanisms you've constructed for yourself, no matter how harmful they are.

The way Harry carries on doesn't sound like he is doing the proper work to heal- maybe because he doesn't want to move on, maybe because he won't tolerate therapists who challenge him and the narrative he's constructed for himself.

I think the combination of paranoid, slow-witted, gormless, out-of-touch and desperate to overshare is what creates that unique ick.

We know brilliant dysfunctional guys who have the drug-induced paranoia but you forgive them for it because they write brilliant music and are self-aware and compassionate. Their artistic process draws you in, their creative output is prodigious. Harry is given a platform through privilege and talks smack. It isn't fair but just how it is.

And does anyone think this is helping anyone. I mean please do correct me if I am wrong. He is becoming a laughing stock. I would think what he is doing is making people clam up. The opposite.

He should rein in all the admissions of drug use as that is not allowed, if you want to become an American citizen you have to declare you haven't / don't take drugs, and even if he's there on a spouse visa, I can't imagine that officially, if he were to be treated like a normie, that it is a great idea to admit all this drug use

Also how do you simultaneously claim your mother was wonderful and loving and your childhood was devoid of hugs and love?

Also I think this emphasis on hugs as the measure of a loving parent is warped and simplistic.

I can envision scenarios with unstable parents who shower children with hugs and proclamations of love but where this represents the parents needs and they are also generally focused on meeting their own needs, children are props to illustrate something about themselves, they are emotionally labile in all respects and the children have to study them carefully to judge their stability from moment to moment.

Also there could be a parent who is reserved with hugs and verbal proclamations but who devotes their time and efforts to meeting all the other needs such as attention, focus, self sacrifice, who never lets the child down who would always put the child above themself and who the child never questions their consistency and reliability.

Now neither are perfect both are imperfect in different ways but the purported notion that hugs equal better parenting is just untrue.

I think neither of Harry's parents focused on the needs of the children. Diana was probably more openly affectionate than Charles but I suspect she had other limitations as a parent.

I think what would really help Harry would be coming to an adult understanding of both his parents as flawed people and forgiving them.

He seems still to be stuck in splitting with his mum and Meghan as good and perfect and Charles and William as bad. This is representative of him not having integrated his dark side into his own personality and why the idea of psychedelics having now restored him to being 'good' not like his family who remain bad, is so seductive to him.

He is also alienating his target audience who are often this-free that-free teetotal and drug-free and proud of it while their parents (at their age) were unapologetic hedonists. It's not really fashionable anymore as cultural currency to boast about sex and drug binges. If you are, say, Johnny Depp then they will make that rare exception for you because you but a posh, pale British Prince in a clean, tidy mansion in Montecito?

Agree. He doesn’t see himself as a normie tho. He sees himself as above the law.

I think the combination of paranoid, slow-witted, gormless, out-of-touch and desperate to overshare is what creates that unique ick.

And he is impressionable and susceptible to the influence of the many people who surround him who will make significant personal and corporate financial gain the more he talks. They are all pimping him out.

@BeatricePortinari Agree. Meghan placed this massive emphasis on Kate and William rejecting her hugs as conveyed via their own content. She knew that greeting hugs are a fake-friendly social gesture in her world but she wanted to show them up. It just makes him come across as the puppet of a bad ventriloquist yet again.