Harry and Gabor

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My friend just sent me this. I adore Gabor mate and the work he does. His book 'in the realms of hungry ghosts' was life changing for me who had suffered serious addiction issues. But am I being too harsh to feel disappointed he's jumping on this band wagon of garbage. I'm sorry but Harry we're sick of listening to your trauma and no offence you've sung it to death, (and I don't even think it's that bad relative to how much he has gone on and on about it) and trauma aside you're a complete hypocrite with how you've treated you're family and the trauma you've put them through!!

Hmm ok. Being self focused is not an ADHD symptom and that wasn’t the nicest way to express it. I guess seeing criticism where there isn’t any might come under “rejection sensitive dysphoria” which isn’t officially considered part of the diagnostic criteria but which is somewhat recognised as a part of the experience for some people.

Did Harry really say that he was never shown any affection or hugged as a child?

That’s got to be another of his “I never rode a bike” moments. I find it very hard to believe that. Diana at least always looked like a very affectionate parent.

Didn't Diana front a 'Hugs, not drugs' campaign? Is he suggesting that it was more 'Drugs, no hugs' for him?

Debate aside I would love to listen to this. I somehow missed the hype and didn't find out about it until this morning.

It doesn't look like there's any way to access it after the event unfortunately.

I'd go so far as to say where was any stability or happiness in his childhood?

Where?

I will be happy to read any links you provide.

There really is substantial evidence that genetic influences are a very significant aspect. However there is also evidence that, because of the nature of ADHD, people with the condition are at greater risk of various types of traumas. Additionally, with it being significantly genetic, there may be a significance to growing up with an ADHD parent. No one is saying that there are not environmental influences at play.

However, the evidence does not this far show that ADHD is caused by trauma, nor that it is in any way curable.

Even if you believed early childhood trauma to be responsible, and it could be that early childhood trauma leads to changes in brain development that are similar to the patterns of development seen in ADHD that is mainly genetically influenced, this would not mean that ADHD is curable.

It’s just nonsense isn’t it? In many respects he had a very happy and privileged childhood. He was lavished with affection by his mother and his father is shown being affectionate many many times. He was brought up in a goldfish bowl, yes. His parents had an unhappy marriage, yes. However in very many other ways he had a very fortunate childhood.

For any trauma victim, until those emotional truths are met with compassion from an attuned, attentive listener and made sense of, they’ll continue to rattle round inside the victim. Harry will never get that attunement from the media or interviewers.

Not too sure he is expecting attunement from the media though. The media will never change as they are making way too much money from the hate machine.

I believe that is why he has chosen his interviewers carefully. They have the empathy that is lacking in other rags. Also why it was important to correct the narrative in his book to the general public who have been fed lies by tabloids.

Because his life has already been splashed out there, it will very likely be healing to see his own point of view also splashed out because they differ from what others have been reporting about him.

He was not talking about Diana. He always acknowledges her affections.

Harry said in the Netflix documentary, "My childhood, I remember, was filled with laughter, filled with happiness, and filled with adventure,"

Thought those people were there for tradition.
It's not like they will throw out pertinent questions like "How much have you budgeted for free school meals?" are they.

Thanks to Diana.

Actually, he says he has very few memories of his mother. "I don't have many early memories of my mum. It was almost like, internally, I sort of blocked them out." He says he just remembers her cheeky smile and her laugh.

Well, no, that's not what he says. He has very few memiries of Diana. And there's clear video footage of how he loved and played with his father.

Both he and Meghan are doing their "issues" a disservice

Surely they are vague memories. No specifics. So he can't access Diana's specific details. What she said exactly at which moment. But he does remember her as liking singing and dancing etc. and all sorts of feelings of adventure and happiness around her. Possibly Charles too, though I suspect he was too preoccupied with camilla etc.

Your responses get more off the wall. Tradition isn't about being unwashed and seeing the King to get blessed. 😂😂😂😂 When was that ever a tradition?
People probably don't ask him about budgeting for free school meals because...why would they? Anyone not eligible for free school meals who pays tax (ie, Charles) would expect the govt to budget for them. Anyone who receives free school meals, don't need to budget for them...because they're free.
But, you know what, anyone can go and ask him thatvquestion or any other they like.

Anxiety and depression are very common with ADHD. I think Harry needs to stop self medicating with drugs and see an actual psychiatrist to see if he can get real help. Years of therapy of this type have done SFA.

I can only quote what he says. That he has very few memories of her. He remembers her smile and her laugh and some advice she gave him. He doesn't mention any interaction with her at all. But clearly, the fact he was so traumatised by her loss shows that he knows she loved him. He just can't remember it. He says he buried everything.

And, I'm sorry, but there is ample evidence that he had a good relationship with his father and often turned to him over his mother. Blimey, there are enough programmes on channel 5 that include videos, etc, of this.

While I do feel some sympathy for him, he really needs to stop going on about how hard his childhood was, whilst he’s taking hallucinogenic drugs and he has young children….

If he was Harry from round the corner, social services would be called him, and if Charles had done it, you can bet Harry wouldn’t view it a Charles ‘positively finding himself’, but yet another example of a distant father...

Is your post for real?

When someone says "can you bless me with your beautiful voice". They don't mean the person has to put their hands on them and pray or whatever, they are asking them to sing. I have also heard this expression when someone says "bless us with your presence" or someone sang "turn around and bless me with your beauty".

My point, the arrogance /narcism of going around crowds to just , well, wave.

My point about the school meal question was that the RF are not walking about for anything useful.

Are you deliberately twisting or did you just not get that ? In which case, no longer posters like yourself constantly misunderstand H&M.

Absolutely hit the nail on the head, along with the wild gesticulating, makes it all look like he is totally floundering and doesn't really understand what he is verbalising. It is ironic that he claims he wants to be authentic, but he comes across as being the complete opposite.

I’m sure that’s how he remembers it (of course he does, he lost him Mum when he was 12, she’ll always be perfect in his memories) but it doesn’t make it true. We also know for example that Diana was a capable of acting quite selfishly in ways that negatively impacted both her sons - like her jealousy of their believed nanny, Tiggy Legge-Bourke, because she resented the stroking bond they had built with her, and her importance in her sons’ lives. She was emotionally manipulative towards both her sons at times.

What I don’t understand is he had had enough contact with genuinely underprivileged people in the U.K. and in Africa to see that his sufferings pale into insignificance when compared to people without his money and advantages. He doesn’t have to work, he has a massive mansion to live in, he’s been to the best schools. He has staff, unlimited holidays in luxury destinations and spends his free time playing polo. He doesn’t need to worry about health care of feeding his children .
Obviously these things don’t take away from the fact he lost his mother in tragic circumstance and he’s had to live under the public spotlight all his life . Really though, compared to millions of people who live through really terrible trauma and suffering, he has nothing to whine about. Particularly when he’s making money from it .

I never mentioned the King putting his hand on someone. But my apologies I missed the end of the sentence ”with their presence”.

He doesn't just go round crowds to wave. He's either going from point A to point B and peoole have waited to see him, so he courteously waves to acknowledge them. Or he's visiting a soevific places and a crowd has gathered to welcome him. He might go and greet yhrm and shake their hands or he might wave ftom a distance yo thank them for coming. He does it not out of arrogance but out of respect for the people who have been waiting to see him.

The king is doing his duty as head of state and going around talking to people. He thanks people fir their with, tries to reach across political and social divides, passes on concern that are expressed to the govt and tries to help where possible, eg freezers for food banks. Just because you don't like him, doesn't mean what he does is not worthwhile. What would you expect an elected head of state to do differently?

I understand Harry and Meghan very well. There's not that much depth to either of them to be bamboozled. And by that, I don't mean they're shallow, I mean both are quite open. And they both talk about themselves far too much. What's not to understand?