Harry & Meghan savaged by South Park

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www.thetimes.co.uk/article/south-park-mocks-meghan-and-harry-and-their-high-profile-pleas-for-privacy-btkq9g2mg

Their standing in the US is at an all-time low. US audiences seem to hold them in the same contempt as people in the UK

Awwww, bless! I think you do actually believe this!

George Dubya Bush won the presidency because of his talents, not his connections.

Elite universities don't have 'legacy' students.

There have been 45 out of 46 presidents who are white males. The other was also male, referred to as 'black' despite being biracial, and continuously attacked as 'foreign' and therefore illegitimate by significant parts of the population. That's because white men are superior to women or POC.

But yes, class doesn't exist, anyone can make it!

Very true. But a lot of effort goes into denying it. So many people, including @onlylarkin sadly fall for the propaganda

Since you don't know me, you have no idea what I "fall" for. 🙄

There is a difference between racism and class. Obama was called black because, in the US, he is a black man. Yes, the Birthers in the US did say he was foreign. But most of those are Trump supporters and were unsuccessful.

Bush won the election because of the Electoral College.

The 'legacy' students?

On the whole the upper and lower ends of the economic scale show little movement - here

There is more movement in the middle. Probably the same in the UK?

Yes, legacy admissions. There is push back on ending this practice in the US. Because we aren't perfect here and are still dismantling the systemic racism built into our country.

www.aclu.org/news/racial-justice/how-ending-legacy-admissions-can-help-achieve-greater-education-equity

If politicians wanted to promote equality, they would be taxing the billionaires. There is a reason why Congress wont fix it.

www.businessinsider.com/wealthiest-members-congress-house-senate-finances-2021-12#23-rep-john-rose-a-republican-from-tennessee-23362065-3

Bush won the election because of the Electoral College

How did he get into the position of contesting the election? On merit? Or because of his connections?

Let's face it, the class system doesn't 'fix' the result, but it skews the result. It puts people in a position to win due to their connections.

So yes, the class system, the historical connections do still matter

I don’t think the absolute hammering the media give all new royal brides is pisstaking. And it’s sustained over long long periods of time. No woman should have to get used to it.

It’s nasty misogynistic bile. And in Meghan’s case it was racist at times, too.

Unfortunately, there’s a market for it.

There are so many subtleties in South Park episodes. I used to work with someone who would watch every episode several times because apparently even the 3rd or 4th time you could pick up jokes that were previously missed. It must sting that they've been so severely roasted.

I've watched every episode of Frasier Crane and I find it difficult to believe there's no class system at all in America - so many of the jokes were based on social climbing, and surely that wouldn't have been funny if it didn't exist.

True, it's not acceptable some of criticism the women get, but the point is they ride it out successfully because they have a defined role they can commit to. Not that it's acceptable.

Also the piss take I mentioned was about the queen in SP, also I guess W&K, and programmes like the Windsors or Spitting Image. All really satirising them but they let it pass and do the job and this largely works.

H &M don't have a role beyond their brand so trashing their reputation is much more long term damaging to them than the royals.

The media will eventually stop hammering Meghan because people will have heard it all. And will have grown bored - no more clicks. Then the media will pick up again on someone else. They might have another go round at Kate or Camilla or even Sophie. One person becomes the bad woman - the rest get lots of lovely things written about them with an occasional critical article so as not to seem ‘unbiased.’

I’m not sure the Royals are all that secure in their position. Republicans are knocking at the door, so they have that to worry about.

Bad publicity is bad publicity. Like Kate and William’s Caribbean tour which was a bad look for the Royals.

I just don’t think SP is bad publicity. They’ll pick on anyone - who’s well known.

But time will tell.

The media will eventually stop hammering Meghan because people will have heard it all. And will have grown bored - no more clicks

Agreed, as the younger royals enter their teens, M&H will fast become middle-aged has-beens, no one will be interested in them

The media will eventually stop hammering Meghan because people will have heard it all.

Only if they change their approach. I don't think the SP episode would have happened without the book. It's not poking fun at them just because they're famous, it's poking fun at their hypocritical behaviour, there would be no joke otherwise.

As I said, time will tell. None of us can predict the future.

😁 Genius.
California definitely has a class system of which she was well aware from an early age (remember the video she made as a young woman driving around LA in that car which she claimed could only be entered via the boot (except everyone remembers always using the doors).

She knew about the RF class system. It was not very She-Ra to have got vocal on a bunch of issues but still put on the mega expensive gowns and get that ring on fast for the power and money. She would have had a lot of respect if she had walked away and stuck by her self proclaimed values instead of bleeding them dry and hating on them all at once.

I wonder if H&M will do the RF trick and 'never complain, never explain'?

It was. It is. State leaders of other countries don’t need to be providing emotional support for one another. It looks childish. If you have to cling to someone, so the traditional thing and take their arm. Much more dignified.

I watched the SP spoof and thought it hilarious, but could someone explain what's the joke about "First Lady Botherer" please?

(I am aware that Megan may have political ambition, but don't get the "botherer" bit)

I think she was trying to make Michelle Obama a BFF and it didn’t really happen.

Has there been an episode on Prince Andrew yet? That would be interesting viewing.

No, probably because it's a comedy. Harry and Meghan are funny because they're ridiculous, so it's fairly easy to take the piss. Andrew is seen as more sinister so he wouldn't have much comedy value.

That's interesting. I immediately thought of her discomfort with HMQs special status and pathetic attempt to align herself when they quit ('We can collaborate') and her tendency to obsessively compare herself to Kate as evidenced in their own books and interviews (Kate is the closest thing the UK has to an emerging first lady (Camilla doesn't count).
However, SP writers may have been thinking purely of the ex-First Lady of the US.

I haven't watched yet but will do.
Have H&M called the lawyers in yet?
The best thing they can do is laugh at it themselves but I don't think that will happen.

Scientology are as sinister and have been challenged and the whole chef departure had a signficant paedophile subplot - so not out of bounds. So only time will tell but honestly - there is no real interest in Andrew in the US and so realistically they’re not going make one.