Harry & Meghan savaged by South Park

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www.thetimes.co.uk/article/south-park-mocks-meghan-and-harry-and-their-high-profile-pleas-for-privacy-btkq9g2mg

Their standing in the US is at an all-time low. US audiences seem to hold them in the same contempt as people in the UK

I wonder if there’s any truth in the rumours that Harry tried to contact the SP producers to get the episode dropped but they wouldn’t take his call ?

Is that from the mythological "Royal commentators/Royal experts"? Those rumours come from the hotdesk of a Daily Mail intern. If not from a bored SAHP on twitter.

Well let us know the provenance of these rumours and stories? Really interested.

If you're saying he had other girlfriends apart from Kate when they had split up, I don't think that is particularly salacious. It's pretty normal.

I find it interesting that "Royal fans" are laughing it up over Harry and Meghan being called hypocrites on South Park when the same episode has a scene with the Queen's corpse in it.

Both. There was post after post on here about it.

Here is a great example. While the DM was not negative about it, read the comments.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11212277/Harry-Meghan-hold-hands-Queens-procession-Westminster-Hall.html

Here it is just one mild example of it on Twitter: twitter.com/RoyalCentral/status/1570057517262061569?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1570057517262061569%7Ctwgr%5E1f6877afd531b7f7c435552e8f73db8c57aafba8%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mercurynews.com%2F2022%2F09%2F14%2Fdisrepctful-harry-and-meghan-hold-hands-leaving-solemn-westminster-hall-service

I am not going to bother with finding those who frothed on MN about it.

My point is that, to the rest of the world, (including Canada, The United States and Spain apparently because their leaders do it), this is normal behavior. But people did not have a problem with them at all. Only M & H doing it.

Why wasn't it criticized when those people did it at a state funeral?

It never bothered me whether anyone held hands, it's a non issue.

I feel that since the queens death these protocols around clothing and behaviours (like handholding) are being slowly relaxed. Quite rightly. These are the rules in place when the queen came to the thrown and they've simply never been updated.

People in the RF kept up these traditions in respect for the queen, but they really are not necessary.

And just to reiterate that W+K didn't hold hands last night anyway.

I don't think it was at the funeral itself, more after the grandchildren’s vigil round the coffin. They all processed away in a quite formal fashion, next to their respective partners. The Sussexes and the Tindalls were holding hands and it looked a bit out of place in the context of a procession. Nothing wrong with holding hands when taking your place in church at a funeral, just not quite right when walking in a procession I suppose 🤷‍♀️

I'm happy to say I don't like people on official engagements holding hands. I wouldn't be happy for a doctor amd nurse to come into the room holding hands. At work it sort of makes people look unprofessional and needy. But I've no problem any of them holding hands privately. So backstage where the public can't see them, etc. At the Queens funeral, it would have seemed disrespectful to hold hands while they were standing before the coffin, but when they were leaving and walking out of church, their duties over, I think that's fine. What they did at the private service later in the day is totally up to them.

I like that Wiliam and Kate walk independently and have their hands free to shake and meet people. It makes them look confident and self-assured. I'd think less of her if he pulled her hand away and she grabbed it back with two.
But Harry and Meghan aren't working royals anymore so they can do what they want. They don't really hold any importance within royal protocols these days. I would seem to give them comfort and strength to hold hands so it's entirely understandable why they do it.

I think saying everyone criticised them is a bit of a stretch. As I tell my teenage DD regularly when she tells me 'everyone' does this or that - really? EVERYONE? 😂in other words half a dozen people who shout the loudest, while three dozen other people don't!

But I'm with @MarshaMelrose with the 'not holding hands on official engagements', it just looks unprofessional to me. But then I am past my half century and things move on...

I can understand that. But as these two are no longer working royals, they no longer have official engagements.

True, and it's not something I have a strong opinion about either way. A personal preference for a distinction between the public and the private - but each to their own, and I am a different generation as well.

I worked on a summer camp in the USA as a Young Person. The cultural differences were life changing 😂 we were picked up from the airport in New York and taken to a hostel for the night. The driver went the wrong way, and the person collecting us told him he was wrong. Didn't apologise, didn't suggest an inadvertent mistake - just straight out told him he was wrong! And he wasn't offended 😮

It was mind blowing 😂so holding hands in public could be a cultural difference as well as personal choice!

Being depicted on South Park means you have arrived in the US so to speak.

I'm not sure what that means. It's a sign of success or something? Calling your wife a bitch wife and saying they're empty inside, is a sign you've arrived? That's something they'd celebrate being on and feel validated by?

Not one it comes to Murdoch media.

Whoops

Not when it comes to Murdoch media.

It's just not considered such a bad thing. There is no such thing as bad press. This is why Tom's couch jumping activities never affected him.

@mixedrecycling you are 100% right. The culture is different here. We truly do not give a shit what class you are from, how much money you have or how you made it.

The culture is different here. We truly do not give a shit what class you are from, how much money you have or how you made it.

Oh dear. I believed that for a long time - they taught us that in grade school even. How much nicer that we live in a place where every has the same chance and there is no such thing as "classes" .

It's just not true. It's probably true most of the time for middle class white people from white collar families. It's true if you don't have a name on your resume that stands out, or an address from an impoverished area. But it's really not true.

It sure as shit wasn't true for my ethnic grandfather who came here as a laborer and spoke broken English.

And it's absolutely not true that there is no distinction between old and new money here.

Tom's couch jumping activities didn't affect him because he was an A list film star, box office gold.

Harry and Meghan have been made to look foolish (and I think Meghan especially will hate that) but have nothing to fall back on. It's happened too early in their post RF careers. They don't have anything behind them to mitigate appearing ridiculous.

Oh, me too actually. I actually like rules and formality.

I just think it’s rude to judge and discuss the behavior of someone in mourning openly. I think that goes along with enjoying old-fashioned etiquette.

'We truly do not give a shit what class you are from, how much money you have or how you made it.'

Is that true? I don't think it is. I think there is a definite class system in the US , mostly revolving around money rather than birth, although 'old money' in the US is more in line with the British class system.

So many countries claim to not have a class system. Most countries do, whether they admit it or not.

SP have attacked the queen too the difference is the RF are used to this sort of piss taking and just ignore and do the job.

H&M left because they could not tolerate the piss taking attacks and thought they could escape it. Instead it's just been directed directly at them.

And they have no actual job to quietly get on with.

They are just their brand as SP so accurately pointed out.

Did you see the bit about ‘First Lady botherer’ in the list for her brand? That must have stung a bit.

It's just not considered such a bad thing. There is no such thing as bad press. This is why Tom's couch jumping activities never affected him.

Of course there is such a thing as bad press. That's why high profile people spend a fortune on PR agencies and tightly control media access. You'd struggle to find people more obsessed with their image than the Harkles.

As for Tom Cruise, we've already discussed why this isn't a good comparison. He is an A+ star with a product millions will spend good money for. By contrast, other than peddling their fading royal credentials, Harry and Meghan have no obvious role or significant achievements to fall back on. If they are now a figures of fun, that is definitely not good for their 'brand'.