"Kate's Rebranding Masterclass May Finally See off Meghan"

[MrsMaxDeWinter]

"Five months since she moved up to the second tier of the monarchy, the Princess has started beefing up her top team to make sure she succeeds not only with her “life’s work” on child development, but also with the task of besting Meghan Markle."

Why does Meghan have to look bad for Kate to look good? Why does Meghan need to be bested or seen off? Why is it a competition?

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She wasn't 'living with' the rf. She was living in her own home.

Still within the palace confines. With courtiers etc.

Why was Meghan so adamant she wanted in patient care?

Don't know. Perhaps it's a california thing. Perhaps she wanted to get away from the bloody palace and paparazzi?

Perhaps she was advised not to because if she was recognised the press pack would have had a field day.

That's the whole point. They care more about how things look than helping someone's mental health (The irony...)

This is what Tom Bower, whose word has a weird authority on these threads, had to say on GBNews tonight:

Ever since Meghan hit the scene, Kate had to revise her game. She can no longer be this docile, middle class shrinking violet. She had to dress much better, to have better make up and perform better.

Yikes, if even the make up is a competitive zone, no wonder Kate did not want to share her lip gloss, as Meghan might have "outshined" her, pun fully intended. 😁😁

'She can no longer be this docile, middle class shrinking violet. She had to dress much better, to have better make up and perform better.'

But it's just garbage isn't it. One of the main differences between Kate and Meghan is that Kate gets that it's not all about her. When she was in the queen's company, she understood the Queen was the focus, the important one. When she's visiting a charity it's the charity that's the focus. I don't think she's a shrinking violet by any means, or docile for that matter. I just don't think she perceives being a member of the RF as being akin to being a celebrity. It'll be sad if she feels forced down that road.

Plus, I don't think Kate's changed her make up much in 20 years, and she wears clothes suitable for the events she's attending.

'Perhaps she was advised not to because if she was recognised the press pack would have had a field day.'

'That's the whole point. They care more about how things look than helping someone's mental health (The irony...)'.

Irony in what way? That Harry and Meghan's actions have been totally contradictive of those interested in supporting mental health issues.

I don't think it's at all that the household cared more about how things looked. Meghan could have accessed help from the safety and privacy of her home. If she'd gone to be an inpatient somewhere, all it would have taken was a photo or a comment from a fellow patient for all hell to break loose from the press. And surely, as it appears to have been the press that caused the problems in the first place, avoiding that scenario was pretty important.

I think the U.K. gutter press is like a horrible nasty initiation ceremony. If you can handle them without reacting you can probably speak to Donald Trump or various misogynistic Saudi princes without telling them to stick their their opinions up their arses followed by a quick kick. I couldn’t hold my tongue so I would have failed that test - like many posters here . I can’t judge anyone who refuses to dilute their opinions but the U.K. needs this ‘soft diplomacy’ on the world stage so it is important

i don’t think staying quiet is Meghan’s strength. It goes against all she says she stands for. So they are better off out of the RF.

Irony in what way? That Harry and Meghan's actions have been totally contradictive of those interested in supporting mental health issues.

No, they stood up for their mental health. Harry stood up for Meghan's (eventually) by taking her away. Harry's indictment of the ways the royals work is calling them out for their shady practices, all hidden behind this fake dignity of "never complain, never explain". Behind this people like his mother suffered, he suffered, meghan suffered. He's brought these things out in the open in his book.

Irony in the way RF ignored Meghan's mental health, after the way the royals bang on about mental health so much. Same as everything the royals do, just pay lip service to a "cause", without any real backing or care.

'No, they stood up for their mental health.'

While paying no attention to anyone else's.

It’s quite bizarre that the fact Kate has been wearing trousers much more often is being linked to Meghan in any way, rather than linked to the death of the Queen - who disliked women in trousers for formal occasions.

Change in boss = change in uniform policy.

But obviously that doesn’t sell stories or papers

Harry didn’t get Meghan treatment when she said she needed it. That doesn’t seem like ‘standing up for her mental health’ in fact it seems the opposite.

i don’t agree with your second sentence. I see it differently. Harry made a whole series on mental health with Oprah. I only got to watch half of the series because my subscription ran out. What I watched was very good, especially for young adults.

And Harry has been very vocal about the mental health of veterans.

But truly, when you are having a mental health crisis as we were told Meghan had, you don’t really have the ability to consider someone else’s mental health much, in my experience. Nothing hypocritical or selfish about it, it’s just survival.

I do feel that Meghan requesting inpatient care but being denied it, was not only about protecting Meghan, it was also about protecting the Royal Family - there was self interest involved. Meghan’s not the only one with that trait, not amongst that bunch. All The Royal Family members strike me as always have an eye to their own self interests.

I think Meghan could have had inpatient care with Archie away from the whole shit show. She could have seen doctors/psychiatrists, mental health nurses etc. she would not have had to attend group sessions with other people. Of course exceptions would have been made for a Meghan.
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That’s my take on it anyway. I’m not into talking badly about Kate or Meghan. Or elevating one woman over the other.

Why do you keep missing the point.

The whole reason they wanted half in/ half out was to remove themselves from the toxic environment. At some point H says, if the taxpayer pays even 1%, they consider that they own your life. Hence they wanted to be financially independent, away from the briefings while still supporting the queen.

But why, if the environment was so toxic, did they want to be in at all?

It's obvious from what's happened since they left that the reason they wanted to maintain their status within the RF was so they could monetise it. And by crikey they've done their utmost to date. No one would be interested in the pair without the RF connection. No one.

I'm not sure why some think everything revolves around Meghan, she was a royal for a mere few months. The seismic change was the Queen dying, this changed Catherine's role and also the Royal family as a whole. I'd say that had had a much more monumental influence on things.

Harry did eventually give MM the help she needed.

She recalls phoning the lady he referred her to and she (that lady) was doing her shopping and MM could hear the beeping of the self check out machines.

What she was highlighting was that the same organisation that took over their lives was not providing the pastoral care they we're supposed to. MM was telling everyone 'don't worry, the palace is protecting us'. This is the same palace that had phoned her and told her not to wear a H&M necklace, they we're pretty much dictating to her what she should do - therefore they should be taking care of her mh as well. Not have Doria fly across the world, when the palace should be providing care (that is their (the palace) duty).

Physically removing themselves off to Canada, means no courtiers briefing (because they won't know what their every move is).

There is no mention of any reason why they wanted to go away. If the palace had let them go, and not carried on hounding them, they probably would not explain anything. They would not have to.

On the website, there is explanation of what they intend to do, but no details of why they want to do that.

Meghan went to Canada, the states when she was ‘trapped’ so what Meghan could do and what she said she could do seem at odds. But that’s all in the past now.

According to the book (I know I know, you won't believe anything he says, but it's all we've got given the RF don't shed light on anything)... there were 5 proposals put together. The RF decided, not M&H. Here you go.... from the book.
Harry presents the summit as a mere formality but the royal household had decided without him that his own plans would be impossible.
Spare reads: "Option 1 was continuance of the status quo: Meg and I don't leave, everyone tries to go back to normal. Option 5 was full severance, no royal role, no working for Granny, and total loss of security.
"Option 3 was somewhere in between. A compromise. Closest to what we'd
originally proposed. I told everyone assembled that, above all, I was desperate to keep security. That was what worried me most, my family's physical safety."
"But the family," he continued, "of course, pushed me to take Option 1. Barring that, they would only accept Option 5.
"We discussed the Five Options for nearly an hour. At last the Bee got up and
went around the table, handing out a draft of a statement the Palace would soon
be releasing. Announcing implementation of Option 5.
"'Wait. I'm confused. You've already drafted a statement? Before any
discussion? Announcing Option 5? In other words, the fix was in, this whole
time? This summit was just for show?' No answer."

Discount this all you like... but I imagine it went something like that.

Plus, I don't think Kate's changed her make up much in 20 years, and she wears clothes suitable for the events she's attending
I think Kate's make up has changed a lot since the trip to the US a few months ago, not day make up but dressing up gala, premiere, party make up
I barely recognised her in that green dress she wore.
It was heavy and she looked very different, it was designed to appeal to the audience of the Earthshot party.
And since then I have seen her in that sort of make up again.
(Disclaimer... this is not a criticism for anyone in months to come throwing this comment up as me 'sticking the boot in' to Kate)

Or they could have had statements drafted for all eventualities but it became obvious that anything other than in or out wouldn't work.

It's just typical misogynistic bullshit, pitting two women against each other. I mean, what happens...the most popular woman becomes Queen? The one with the best hair? The best manners? It's ridiculous.

I'm surprised you believe it op (I know you don't, but you've found a piece that makes PoW look bad so you want to share it far and wide, even though it makes you look misogynistic by association).

I have equally seen this interpreted as all options being discussed but the Queen deciding that if option one wasn’t acceptable to the Sussexes, then the only realistic was for them to leave altogether. The Queen was very much in charge and it was her decision. She was notoriously non confrontational so may well have decided what was going to happen before the summit, and used her courtiers to try and smooth the way. Harry doesn’t like to think that his granny was capable of putting the Firm before the family, but I’m sure she was. She was the boss, even though he likes to imagine others influenced her.

Rats. Linked to wrong post. Should have been the one above

As I say, we only have Harry's take on it because we'll never know will we?

I do find it odd that the Queen suggested Meghan could carry on with her acting career, but when it came to the discussion with the five options, that idea was withdrawn.
The idea of Meghan carrying on as an actor apparently was discussed when Harry told his Dad he wanted to propose to Meghan in 2017. Had the couple taken up the idea, Meghan would have been earning money independently, as the couple would later request and the RF would later reject. They should've gone for it back then!