52% of 18-24 year olds want monarchy abolished

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This was in a yougov poll. Support for the monarchy is at an all time low amongst younger people.

I think he is and in true mafia style with a veiled threat and seems to think the institution would be in safer hands if it skips him and goes straight to WK. He may well be right.

But Charles should be aware that he could jeopardise his status and popularity with the British people if he caves in to the demands of the Sussexes.
Former head of royal protection brands Prince Harry a 'fool' for detailing palace layouts in his tell-all memoir

Not only would the majority of his subjects, outraged by Harry’s perfidy, deplore any concessions to the Montecito hucksters, but William and Kate would surely not co-operate in any humiliating apology.

I hesitate to use DM comments as a vox pop but the best rated under that article was this. Those bots from GCHQ certainly do work !!

Andrea250, Sussex, United Kingdom, 5 days ago

If Charles capitulates to Harry all the good will shown to him especially the last few months will be gone and the Monarchy will be in jeopardy.

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But the best laugh is from worst rated comment from the DM trolls that like to make mischief....

Dr Hugh Janus, Intelligent BMW Driver, United Kingdom, 5 days ago

Charles is the weakest King in the history of the monarchy. He needs to apologise to Meghan and make peace with Harry. William should be in prison for his violent act and Kate should be banished to Wales.

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Everything he's wanted to do, the RF have tried to make happen. Scrapes he's got into, the RF have tried to cover for. I guess he thought it would all carry on just the same so he didn't explore the ramifications of his decisions before following a certain cause of action...like most responsible parents in their mid thirties do.

Yes, he's doing a book, documentaries etc to ostensibly pay his costs. I'm notsure he's condemned for that. It's the vituperative and intimate content that invades others' space that people don't like.

That's still not a claim that KC is failing in his constitutional duties. It's a warning about the consequences of the course TB thinks KC might take.

@Lovemelovemydoggie what à mind blowingly weird conclusion!

So wanting to improve our democracy and abolish the toxic family that supposedly rule us is ignorant? I’ll celebrate my ignorance then 🙄.

Please can you point out other members of the RF who do not get security but got harassed like H&M did? Would be interested to know if there are others being left to defend themselves against the wolf pack of paparazzi to the same extent they were.

It reminds me of the horses head scene in Godfather a warning to KC to man up or face consequences to his authority, bullying in other words. And herein lies the problem with a constitutional monarchy based on the heritary principle it relies on human beings with human frailties and a buy in from a goodly portion of the population. 50% doesn't cut it - it needs to be 70% or up or it doesn't work. Not in the this day and age with an active citizenship, freedom of speech and a social media onslaught.

Kate was harassed before her engagement/marriage. Meghan received security far earlier in her relationship with Harry than either Kate or Diana ever did.

So the only examples are women who were not then members of the Royal Family?

vera99 · Today 12:06

It reminds me of the horses head scene in Godfather a warning to KC to man up or face consequences to his authority, bullying in other words

Only if you believe TB to have the resources of Don Corleole 🤔

I laughed out loud at that ! He is quite fearless and has taken on some big beasts in his time now to include potentially the King. A thread was started about an interview he did with Dan Wooton detailing some outlandish and scurrilous claims about Meghan and her family which he assured were legally sound.

I thought Harry said it wasn't so much physical harassment anymore like in his mothers time. It was all online now.

Would be interested to know if there are others being left to defend themselves against the wolf pack of paparazzi to the same extent they were.

Would be even more interested in you showing us actual evidence that they were ever followed by a wolf pack of paparazzi from 2016 when Meghan was outed as a royal girlfriend onwards.

(there’s a reason why the Netflix trailers used shots of paparazzi from other events, and following other people you know).

I was a republican then and 45 years on still flying the flag. Though I have moved from the far left to the left centre so it's a journey of sorts.

This is what I think as well.

No-one not the 70 year olds nor the teens in my family is pro monarchy but there's much more indifference than huge desire for more constitution upheaval - Brexit and devolution have thrown up issues - a 1000 year old monarchy that's evolved with no clear plan of what comes after at a time when politics seems to be suffering from lack leadership, charisma and big idea and clear plans - I don't see it happening any time soon.

I think the RF would have to make some huge politician mistakes and they'd also have to be a political leadership with drive and ambition to drive replacement - and lots more time.

I can't see if never happening but I don't see the popular appetite for more huge constitutional upheaval or the political will to drive it through yet.

I was a republican then and 45 years on still flying the flag. Though I have moved from the far left to the left centre so it's a journey of sorts.

That's what happens as people get older, they move more to the right. They become more conservative (with a small c). They don't want change so much and they're settled with how things are. That's why the monarchy always has a reasonably sized base.

Surely the bit where the represents Britain’s interests but have no power is the best bit. They have to be fairly exemplary because that’s all they have keeping their roles.
Democracy works better than other systems for those who are governing a country. They need to know they’ll get the boot if they’re shit. But the monarchy isn’t for that.
What percentage think Rishi or Boris or Keir represent the values of Britian. Mostly we are looking for ways they don’t and ways to get rid of them. Who is going to be more acceptable to the country as a representative - we’ll all be saying how corrupt self serving or over paid they are within days.

They do have power. They get lots of laws changed to benefit them.

No, they don't. List all these ""lots of" laws.

Which laws specifically?

That's what happens as people get older, they move more to the right. They become more conservative (with a small c).
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/politics-conservative-twitter-millennials-gen-z_uk_63aef8cce4b0d6f0b9f354c5
It's possible that's not happening to the millennial generation or happening later - I've seen it suggest it's because they have children later or not at all and house own later - less of a stake in society or because they've not experience much stability.

I think the house of Lords will be further reformed - I think devolution may be tweaked - I think Scottish independence if that happened would impact on monarchy which could be good or bad for them - I think if the Commonwealth chooses someone other than William as head when time comes that would be negative.

I think we will see William on the throne - likely his son - then who knows as PP have said any other system comes with downsides - so there would have to be someone politically popular enough to ride that out and very probably RF agreement to an extent that they don't want to continue- as technically they still appointment the PM.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/28/prince-charles-pressured-ministers-change-law-queen-consent

Prince Charles exploited a controversial procedure to compel government ministers to secretly change a proposed law to benefit his landed estate, according to documents uncovered by the Guardian.

Official papers unearthed in the National Archives reveal ministers in John Major’s government yielded to his demands amid fears that resisting the heir to the throne could spark a constitutional crisis.

Just a fraction of example, there are many more.

Equality Act
Police are barred from entering the private Balmoral and Sandringham estates without the Monarch’s permission to investigate suspected crimes, including wildlife offences and environmental pollution
Police are also required to obtain Monarchs personal agreement before they can investigate suspected offences at his privately owned salmon and trout fishing business on the River Dee at Balmoral, where anglers are charged up to £630 a day to fish.
Employees are banned from pursuing legally sexual and racial discrimination complaints.
Monarch is not required to comply with the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974.

As I think right to buy is to a large extent the cause of the current housing crisis, I can’t see anything wrong with that personally.

I think we will see William on the throne - likely his son - then who knows

I'll be dead by then, gloomy, so it's not something im going to spend much time worrying about. 😉

I don't think people realise how expensive it is to elect a president every four years. And then they'll be electioneering rather than working for part of those years. And it's not like the UK is great at voting for people. Look at the winners of Celebrity Big Brother. 🙄