William was in the wrong re Harry’s wedding

[MaybelleMary]

Re William didn’t stay over with Harry the night before his wedding and caused a fuss about having to go to the hotel he was in the night before for dinner. As his only brother and as best man he should’ve been there with him. We hear all the time how wonderful and amazing Catherine’s family are - surely on the occasion of his only sibling getting married her parents could’ve come over to help her with her newborn and the children for the night. They have nannies and cleaners and staff so not exactly short of help in general.

my DH has only one brother too. He got married when my baby was 6 weeks old post a difficult c-section. We went to the hotel for 3 nights - so DH could have drinks with his brother and bridal party the night before, the night of the wedding and the night after the wedding. I was fine with this as it was his only siblings wedding. Yes it was difficult for me and exhausting but it was important to us both that we made a big effort for his DBro especially as (like Harry) they were missing a parent at the wedding.

from my view either William or Catherine or both didn’t care enough to put themselves out for Harry and his wedding which reflects poorly on them.

So I'm outta here! This is clearly not the place for a nuanced discussion!

It feels a little cleaner here already.

People who think their wedding is the most important thing in the universe are the problem.

It is not selfish to put your own children and partner first. Ever.

@EnidSpyton Posts speculating about eating disorders are against MN guidelines. Please ask for your posts to be removed.

@MrsDanversGlidesAgain I don't give a shit about the royal family.

I'm just interested in the autobiography and people's views. As a piece of cultural commentary. As a perspective on royalty we've not seen before.

I'm not interested in getting into arguments with people over people none of us know or have ever met.

I don't understand all the snide and nasty comments! I just wanted to talk about the book! Clearly not the right place to do so!

Also their daughter was centre stage as a bridesmaid no doubt she needed support and encouragement from her parents.

Can't be arsed. If you're that upset about it get them removed yourself.

I don't give a shit about the royal family

I know. How many times have you told us now?

I'd rather leave them there and let others be the judge of your intentions.

I don't understand all the snide and nasty comments! I just wanted to talk about the book! Clearly not the right place to do so!

Reconcile your final paragraph of your attached first post on this thread and your post above.

I could have booked my wedding on a Saturday that had been my anniversary for eleven years. I didn't, because my sister could have been 2-4 weeks post birth. Our wedding had my nephew at 9 weeks instead.

My brother didn't come to my wedding last minute due to medical issues.

I got married relatively late in my friend group, and appreciated that many had kids now.

I consider that just to be the natural flow of things. It's really immature to expect everything to be the same at all stages of life.

I have no idea whether William bullies his brother. I would suggest that you don't either. Whatever has been put in Harry's book is not evidence.

@MaybelleMary

"maybe I’m from a minority family who actually like each other!"

How unbearably smug and rude.

Agreed. Absolutely disguating thing to say.

Re-reading the OP's posts, her version of the Waltons doesn't seem that considerate of women about to/who have just given birth.

So if your kid came home from school and told you that someone had been bullying them, you'd tell them you couldn't take them seriously because their say so wasn't evidence?

I'm finding the whole discussion around this book and the nature of truth and belief fascinating. To me the book corroborates a lot of visual and televised reportage I've seen over the years - but it's interesting how people don't want to believe that anything Harry has to say could possibly be true.

Is it because he's demolishing myths we've all been fed for many years? The beloved brothers, united in grief? Is it a resistance to the truth that we've been manipulated by the press in order to persuade us to feel a sense of pity and loyalty towards these brothers since a young age, as a way of continuing to support the royal family during a time of increasing societal change?

I don't know. I'm sure a lot of what Harry says could be disputed by others. But he clearly feels it to be true. And isn't that a form of truth that deserves to be respected just as much as any other?

Just want to make it clear (as my comment was quoted) I'm in the disgusting and disgraceful camp regarding that poster's comments about PoW.

@EnidSpyton I thought you were pissing off because you couldn't get any debate here?

Prince Louis was 25 days old the night before the wedding.

considering Harry arranged his wedding for a time when he new his sister in law was going to be post partum (and she could have gone overdue) is very telling. He obviously didn’t care if they even made it to the wedding so I don’t know why he is causing such a drama about the pre wedding drinks.

it’s almost as if he wanted to test William to see if he would choose him over Catherine and their baby

Zara was eight months pregnant too.

@MrsDanversGlidesAgain Darling I don't need to answer to you. You're not the Queen of the Internet. Even though you do have a wonderful username. I'm also a big Rebecca fan.

I'm seeing if anyone wants to debate - because I would like to talk about the book!

Has anyone here actually read it? Genuine question. Would love to know people's thoughts.

And genuine apologies if I offended anyone re: PoW and eating disorder. I genuinely thought everyone shared this view. Everyone I know does. Clearly I've stepped on a hornet's nest I had no idea existed. Mea culpa.

In my experience, those who dramatically flounce out of a discussion pretty much always crawl back. This one has remarkably fast U turn skills however.

Did you watch the bodylanguage panel guys' take on the Andersson interview? They said that Harry wasn't lying. They said what he is saying is clearly complete and utter nonsense, but he genuinely thinks it's the truth. They said he is either really comfortable with cognitive dissonance or he's just really, really dim. By the end they'd concluded that yep, he's just really, really dim.

So if your kid came home from school and told you that someone had been bullying them, you'd tell them you couldn't take them seriously because their say so wasn't evidence?

Your child - whom you know and have brought up - standing in from of you talking about his/her experience involving possibly other children you know; when you can see face to face their raw emotion, or maybe see they are having you on; is not the same as reading the account, years after the event, of a drug addled man child with a massive chip on his shoulder, who wants you to believe him, and knows his brother will never get to give his side.

Not RTFT but I've always been pro Harry. Haven't read the book yet but from what's been said here I think he is making too much out of it. To my recollection he hasn't had to attend an event like that while Meghan looked after a newborn.

Kate probably could have gotten help so William could stay over but perhaps he didn't want to, whether it be because of the baby or because of possible feelings about the union.

I support Harry putting his family (his wife and children) first so also support William doing the same. As I've said I haven't read the book so unsure how he has spoken about it, but I think in this situation if you expect people to take on board your feelings then you have to extend the same empathy to them. If Harry was crying out for that special night with his brother I can see how this would upset him, but not everyone feels the same about things and you can't expect to have everything the way you want it just because it's the way you want it.

I've lost count of the threads on here where people tell the OP 'You realise you're only getting your child's version here of what happened?'