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William was in the wrong re Harry’s wedding

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MaybelleMary · 17/01/2023 14:14

Re William didn’t stay over with Harry the night before his wedding and caused a fuss about having to go to the hotel he was in the night before for dinner. As his only brother and as best man he should’ve been there with him. We hear all the time how wonderful and amazing Catherine’s family are - surely on the occasion of his only sibling getting married her parents could’ve come over to help her with her newborn and the children for the night. They have nannies and cleaners and staff so not exactly short of help in general.

my DH has only one brother too. He got married when my baby was 6 weeks old post a difficult c-section. We went to the hotel for 3 nights - so DH could have drinks with his brother and bridal party the night before, the night of the wedding and the night after the wedding. I was fine with this as it was his only siblings wedding. Yes it was difficult for me and exhausting but it was important to us both that we made a big effort for his DBro especially as (like Harry) they were missing a parent at the wedding.

from my view either William or Catherine or both didn’t care enough to put themselves out for Harry and his wedding which reflects poorly on them.

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QueenSmartypants · 17/01/2023 22:09

@MaybelleMary you haven't read the book have ypu? William wasn't his best man.

And calling people crazy because they don't agree with you is not on

onemorerose · 17/01/2023 22:11

EnidSpyton · 17/01/2023 18:15

Look I don't give a shit about any of them. I see no place for a royal family in 2022 and wish they'd all bugger off and live private lives at no expense to the public. The whole institution is deeply offensive to me. But everyone is entitled to their own opinions!

I've just read Harry's autobiog out of curiosity and was interested at how different events are when read from his own perspective and not twisted by media stories or quotes taken out of context.

To me, when looking at the way William speaks to and about Harry in interviews, and how Harry responds to that - in his facial expressions and body language - their relationship is not a healthy one. Harry states in his book that William has always sought to pull rank and belittle him. And the video evidence of their interviews together supports this. William is a bully to Harry. Harry considers himself to have been bullied by William, and video evidence shows that William does indeed bully him. I'm not sure what's controversial about that.

And on the Kate front - please. Look at the woman. She's skeletal. She's lost shedloads of weight since the wedding and gets smaller and smaller every year. That much should be clear to anyone with eyes - you don't need any other 'evidence' than that. It's called stating the obvious.

I thought it might be interesting to discuss the autobiography with others as no one in my RL has read it yet, but clearly no one on here has either, nor are you interested in anything other than deifying William and Kate. So I'm outta here! This is clearly not the place for a nuanced discussion!

Hi Meghan! For someone who does not give a shit about the royal family you seem to have a lot to say about them. As an Irish citizen I quite like them, especially the queen, in general but don’t care too much about them either. Hence I’ve never sought out interviews with the two brothers together, or even seen any on any platform? Where did you stumble across these?

onemorerose · 17/01/2023 22:29

EnidSpyton · 17/01/2023 18:54

But why is Harry automatically disbelieved on this? Is it really that inconceivable to people that William may not have been that nice a brother to Harry?

I think it's a bit much to describe him as a drug addled man child, as if he's an awful person. As he says in the book - he took drugs in order to check out of an existence he found too painful. People take drugs because they're suffering. They want oblivion, escape. I think that's something to find pity for, not censure.

I'm really interested to understand people's thoughts on this. Harry seems to have lost the public's trust on anything. And yet he's been more open than anyone else in the RF. Surely there must be some truth to what he's saying? Otherwise why else would he risk everything to say it?

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Some people don’t believe Harry because he has stories and lies to the press and backtracked on them. At best he has washed his families dirty laundry in public, I would look down on anyone for that. At worst he has lied about the dirty laundry. And all for money. His ‘public’ can’t trust him as he is not trustworthy. And I’ve no idea why he has done what he has done?

Sallyandsam · 17/01/2023 22:50

What strikes me is that Kate had just given birth and rather than snuggling up with her newborn she was running around sorting bridesmaid dresses and pageboy outfits, taking Meghan flowers, getting dressed up (presumably with fittings for herself) and leaving her newborn to attend the wedding. Once there she had to deal with the stress of making sure that her eldest two behaved in front of the cameras. William was also doing best man duties which presumably involved attending rehearsals. It must have been a real ordeal for her at only 3 weeks postpartum.

Yet nowhere does Harry acknowledge that this was an intensely private time for them but they came out in force to support him and Meghan at their wedding. He seems entirely oblivious of what a big ask this was.

Rather than focusing on what they didn’t do, Harry should perhaps consider what his brother and his wife did do for him.

ferntwist · 17/01/2023 22:55

I agree OP. It wasn’t good of William to do that, Harry was right to feel a bit let down that his brother didn’t stay the night with him before the wedding

ferntwist · 17/01/2023 22:59

I was also very surprised at the hard time Kate gave Meghan over the bridesmaid dresses. You don’t do that to a bride the night before a wedding. It was a shame about Charlotte’s dress being too big but she should have sorted it out herself and not worried Meghan about it like that. She was so abrupt in her texts. I wouldn’t expect a flower girl’s mum to lay down the law to a bride like that, especially so late in the day.

ferntwist · 17/01/2023 23:00

And I say this as someone who was an adoring Kate fan previously!

All of this has been a bit of a disappointment for me.

AutumnCrow · 17/01/2023 23:01

ferntwist · 17/01/2023 22:59

I was also very surprised at the hard time Kate gave Meghan over the bridesmaid dresses. You don’t do that to a bride the night before a wedding. It was a shame about Charlotte’s dress being too big but she should have sorted it out herself and not worried Meghan about it like that. She was so abrupt in her texts. I wouldn’t expect a flower girl’s mum to lay down the law to a bride like that, especially so late in the day.

It's a good job none of that happened, then.

ferntwist · 17/01/2023 23:02

She sent texts saying how bad the dress was and that it would need to be completely remade. You don’t do that to a bride the day before her wedding. It’s not all about your kid

OrcastralManoeuvresInTheDark · 17/01/2023 23:05

ferntwist · 17/01/2023 23:02

She sent texts saying how bad the dress was and that it would need to be completely remade. You don’t do that to a bride the day before her wedding. It’s not all about your kid

A day before? 😂 This is like Chinese Whispers on acid.

ferntwist · 17/01/2023 23:08

How long before was it?

Christmascarolina · 17/01/2023 23:09

ferntwist · 17/01/2023 23:02

She sent texts saying how bad the dress was and that it would need to be completely remade. You don’t do that to a bride the day before her wedding. It’s not all about your kid

I think the bride (who chose and ordered the bridesmaid dresses) needed to know if the order had been messed up. It wasn’t just Charlotte’s dress, it was all of them.

A bigger question is why the bridesmaid dresses arrived so late. Presumably that was entirely outside Kate’s control. Remember Kate had only had her baby 2 weeks before all the bridesmaid stuff blew up.

OrcastralManoeuvresInTheDark · 17/01/2023 23:11

ferntwist · 17/01/2023 23:08

How long before was it?

Have you not read THE BOOK? Shock

There was not a series of texts for a start. That’s just in Daily Mail Land.

ferntwist · 17/01/2023 23:15

I’m about halfway through!

Haydugi · 17/01/2023 23:17

Sallyandsam · 17/01/2023 22:50

What strikes me is that Kate had just given birth and rather than snuggling up with her newborn she was running around sorting bridesmaid dresses and pageboy outfits, taking Meghan flowers, getting dressed up (presumably with fittings for herself) and leaving her newborn to attend the wedding. Once there she had to deal with the stress of making sure that her eldest two behaved in front of the cameras. William was also doing best man duties which presumably involved attending rehearsals. It must have been a real ordeal for her at only 3 weeks postpartum.

Yet nowhere does Harry acknowledge that this was an intensely private time for them but they came out in force to support him and Meghan at their wedding. He seems entirely oblivious of what a big ask this was.

Rather than focusing on what they didn’t do, Harry should perhaps consider what his brother and his wife did do for him.

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Harry knew when William and Catherine’s baby was due when he planned his wedding. If he wanted William’s undivided attention, he could have found a better date.

AliceOlive · 17/01/2023 23:18

Hands down some of the funniest shit I’ve read these past days.

I don't know. I'm sure a lot of what Harry says could be disputed by others. But he clearly feels it to be true. And isn't that a form of truth that deserves to be respected just as much as any other?

DerangedViper · 17/01/2023 23:19

Patineur · 17/01/2023 21:43

Just wondering: given that, to this day, Harry apparently doesn't understand that a husband might want to put his 3 weeks post partum wife and newborn child first, just how much of a support was he realistically for Meghan when she was in that situation?

I just think William didn't want to spend the time with Harry as it was row after row (not long after 'dog bowl?)

Kids was probably just a polite excuse (as noted, lots of other help/support available)

Harry is (perhaps) feeling rejected, because he was indeed being rejected.

But he needs to learn that an invitation is just that, not a summons, and it's OK for someone to decline

AliceOlive · 17/01/2023 23:20

If they’d already gotten married two days before, why did Harry care?

Eyerollcentral · 17/01/2023 23:23

DerangedViper · 17/01/2023 23:19

I just think William didn't want to spend the time with Harry as it was row after row (not long after 'dog bowl?)

Kids was probably just a polite excuse (as noted, lots of other help/support available)

Harry is (perhaps) feeling rejected, because he was indeed being rejected.

But he needs to learn that an invitation is just that, not a summons, and it's OK for someone to decline

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I agree, I think the children were a convenient excuse for William. I know Kate was post partum and yes v difficult to leave the baby, but I think the descriptions of her having to get the children ready for the wedding are somewhat fanciful.

Sugarfree23 · 17/01/2023 23:24

ferntwist · 17/01/2023 23:02

She sent texts saying how bad the dress was and that it would need to be completely remade. You don’t do that to a bride the day before her wedding. It’s not all about your kid

If you read the thread about the flowergirl dresses, they were obviously massive far to big for the children. They only arrived 4 days before the wedding. And it took a team of 4 dressmakers to try and alter them.

Nobody would want their child to be wearing a wedding outfit that was miles too big.

Kate was absolutely right to advocate for her little daughter. It's not like a normal family wedding, those photos will be out there and dragged up for years to come.

OrcastralManoeuvresInTheDark · 17/01/2023 23:27

Kids was probably just a polite excuse (as noted, lots of other help/support available)

Several posters have really low expectations of fathers and seem to think that of course a father wouldn’t rather be with his newborn and small children on the eve of a big event, because… paid help.

It’s a low bar.

Eyerollcentral · 17/01/2023 23:35

OrcastralManoeuvresInTheDark · 17/01/2023 23:27

Kids was probably just a polite excuse (as noted, lots of other help/support available)

Several posters have really low expectations of fathers and seem to think that of course a father wouldn’t rather be with his newborn and small children on the eve of a big event, because… paid help.

It’s a low bar.

Hmmm I don’t think it’s so much a low bar, it’s his third child. And they don’t have an average family set up at all, they have a lot of assistance. Also tbf a three week old will be asleep a lot of the time. He only has one brother and he is hopefully only getting married once. His bond with the baby will not be affected at all by having one night away from home.

ArcaneWireless · 17/01/2023 23:46

So a third child doesn’t matter as much as the first two now?

And he wouldn’t want to be with his wife either because there are staff around to care for them both?

Now that really would be dysfunctional. Especially as they were already married…

Just as well it is in fan fiction territory.

MonsoonMadness · 17/01/2023 23:55

Eyerollcentral · 17/01/2023 23:35

Hmmm I don’t think it’s so much a low bar, it’s his third child. And they don’t have an average family set up at all, they have a lot of assistance. Also tbf a three week old will be asleep a lot of the time. He only has one brother and he is hopefully only getting married once. His bond with the baby will not be affected at all by having one night away from home.

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He had dinner with Harry. Why would staying there might have made a difference?

MonsoonMadness · 17/01/2023 23:56

Haydugi · 17/01/2023 23:17

This ^

Harry knew when William and Catherine’s baby was due when he planned his wedding. If he wanted William’s undivided attention, he could have found a better date.

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Exactly