Where is Meghan?

[StarInTheHeavens]

I haven't seen hide-nor-hair of Meghan since the book release which is uncharacteristic of her. Even with the Montecito floods there was no news. So I'm wondering how this is playing out? Happiness or anger behind closed doors?

Yes. What happened to not punching down?

I think this is an odd thing to say - many people who seem to care a little bit too much about them also seem to know a lot of “alleged” facts. Would you say there are in cahoots with Camilla Tominey?

Sorry but you’re wrong - she does and has done many a time.

I have to admit I don't really understand the term "slut shaming" Im the same with "fat shaming". surely is you use this term you think the person is a slut/fat.
and that they are being shamed for it.
I don't get why its so bad to say that she had children by different fathers. surely that is a fact. (not a wind up I really don't get it)

@purpledalmation

You keep moving the goalposts of your argument. First you say that Samantha was unable to raise her children because of her MS, I have shown that she was 44 and her children grown by the time she was diagnosed.

Now you say she was abusive to two of her children because she did not have loving parents. At the same time, you say Thomas Markle was a loving father.

The bottom line is that Samantha can do no wrong in your eyes, and everything is Meghan's fault. I am happy to leave it there as we are unlikely to reach agreement on this.

I do agree with you that the Markles are dysfunctional. It is striking that the two oldest children of Thomas Markle are estranged from all their children and from their own mother. Thomas in turn is estranged from all his grandchildren, not just Meghan's kids.

More will become clear if that cray-cray court case goes ahead, and they all have to testify about the family relationships under oath. I suspect it will open a can of worms not just for Meghan, but for the whole family.

It is a pity, but it is what it is.

@MrsMaxDeWinter I didn't say she wasn't able to look after the kids because of MS. I speculated that it may have been a possibility. There are multiple possibilities.

Samantha can do no wrong in my eyes? Where do I say that? I said she's not a nice person. I said she is damaged.

Thomas Markle walked out on his first family and Samantha because of his first wife's behaviour. That's not loving. He went to pursue his career and left the children with an abusive mother.
He was a loving father to Meghan. Guilt? Who knows. Meghan called him a wonderful father.

The point you completely miss, is it was spiteful and unnecessary of Meghan to mention, just as Samantha's attacks on Meghan were equally unnecessary

Personally I don't think anyone in the Markle family are decent people.

Why won’t you fly Air France @skullbabe ?

She said they were liars (with regards to what was said about the racism vs unconscious bias) but that did not negate the fact that Meghan had to contend with racism. She also still believes the royal family is racist.

It is a fact that Samantha has children by different fathers.

The real damage would be to report, as per one of her children said, that SM used to spit at them and pull their hair. Take them out of school etc.

It was SM who went after MM to begin with, and repeatedly when MM spent years not retorting.

And this narrative that MM was somehow embarrassed by TM is ludicrous. She splashed him all over her SM right up until she cancelled it when joining RF. So everyone already knew what he looked like.

We have no idea why TM did not meet H, when Doria was able to avail herself. They did allude to the restrictive diary of H as per RF rules. But they do say TM was also a complicated man. Didn't he board up his windows even before MM met up with H anyway?

So - this is common use in the UK. I always thought that it had different etymology in US vs UK English - hence why a slur in the US and ok here. Just had a quick read - yep, etymology which is interesting. It really is so common place here I would never have thought. Thanks @Morestrangethings for giving me food for thought.

They did allude to the restrictive diary of H as per RF rules 🙄

Well a good match for the Windsor's then who do gold-plated, diamond-encrusted dysfunction on the taxpayer's tab.

The M and H supporters can continue to argue minor points but the fact is - they’re finished - they chose the wrong path. Persona non grata- here and in the USA.

Weird then isn't it... that the papers are full day after day after day with countless articles about them. Someone needs to tell the media they're finished and they're persona non grata!

There's some catching up to do on that.

I thought the same - you expressed it better than I did. Imarn Ayton very much believes that the royal institution is racist.

@skullbabe I'm only commenting on what she said re Harry and Meghan. She maintains other stances, and that's her prerogative

Sorry, my post about Mandela/MLK was actually supposed to quote this post from @Morestrangethings

We have all seen carefully curated social media profiles of friends, families and celebrities which have beautiful pictures and amazing posts and the we know the reality is not always the same. No one really knows.

Yes, this sounds about right.

It's like the case of Panthers vs MLK.
Or in SA, when they had something called AZAPO vs ANC (Biko/Mandela).

It's the old 'extreme' right/left vs centre. In racism it's more complicated ofcourse. However certain quarters do not like when people go soft on racists as their ideas are too entrenched. So they get annoyed with the 'soft touch'. It's a long route, but we'll get there in the end (with casualties along the path, naturally)

@vera99 William and kate have a happy marriage and apparently happy children. Charles and Camilla love each other and have good relationships with her children and K&W. Charles and Diana were ill suited and divorced following affairs on both sides. A pretty common occurrence, not dysfunctional. Charles had a loving relationship with his mother. His childhood was not the happiest, but he didn't perpetuate this to his own children. Not every family are 'huggers' but it doesn't make them dysfunctional. Harry was loved by his mother until 12, his father loved him but was not demonstrative. Pretty common for families of that generation.

Dysfunctional is a mother who takes drugs and has multiple boyfriends, neglecting her children, and a father who walks away from his children.

So you're talking nonsense.

The issue is because people who bring up the issue with different fathers tend to do it as a way to look down or malign the person they are speaking about. You are absolutely right - there is nothing wrong with this on its own as an objective fact but it is the context in which it is mentioned which then open it up to “slut shaming”. I’m not sure I’m being clear - recovering from a living wake last night.

They do have some catching up to do on their front pages. 😂

I know non stop articles on them - meanwhile as you said earlier there was an entire royal tour of the Caribbean in the past month……….barely a word.

I know non stop articles on them - meanwhile as you said earlier there was an entire royal tour of the Caribbean in the past month……….barely a word.

There were no royal rota reporters accompanying Edward and Sophie on their tour though, hence no stories in the UK press. They don’t drive clicks or readers clearly, hence the limited coverage. Clearly, people read stories about the Sussexes, hence all the stories. It’s simple economics.