Where is Meghan?

[StarInTheHeavens]

I haven't seen hide-nor-hair of Meghan since the book release which is uncharacteristic of her. Even with the Montecito floods there was no news. So I'm wondering how this is playing out? Happiness or anger behind closed doors?

No, two people who independently remember Clarkson being defended on here. It was a minority of posters, but they did exist.

It’s contextual. If you talk about a “fag packet”, it is obvious you aren’t talking about a “gay man packet”. So not offensive. If you are referring to a person, obviously offensive.

”Spade” is a racist slur. But you can still use that word to refer to a garden implement without being offensive, as it is obviously not referring to a black person. “Bitch” isn’t offensive when referring to a female dog, but is offensive when used to describe women.

Oh shit I didn’t mean to imply it was someone on here right now. I worded my post badly maybe? Anyway, to be clear I meant some posters on mumsnet.

There were posters on mumsnet defending it as ‘satire.’ And there was a poster who thought it was okay for Clarkson to do that because people were always having a go at the Royal Family. I remember thinking that was some faulty reasoning.

But the point I was making or trying to make was that Meghan was a victim of racism directed at her by the tabloid media, and most recently, specifically by Clarkson in The Sun. So it’s not something that didn’t happen. Media have been doing overtly at times, right up to, and including, Clarkson’s article. The backlash pulled them up a bit.

im posting on my iPhone because my iPad is rooted atm. So my spelling etc may not be great.

To say spitefully and absolutely unnecessary that Samantha's children had different fathers and the children didn't live with her is so nasty it's unbelievable. Samantha is disabled. She had MS from an early age and to be in a wheelchair is hardly the easiest thing to manage 3 children alone. Therefore it may have been in the children's best interest to live with their fathers or others.

It is insulting to disabled people to say having a disability means you cannot parent your children. In any event, the time line makes no sense.

Ashleigh was born in 1985, and in fact is a few years younger than Meghan.

Samantha was diagnosed with MS in 2008, when Ashleigh had already been adopted by her paternal grandparents, and was actually a young adult. So Ashleigh was an adult by the time Samantha had her diagnosis. Samantha was 44, so she was not diagnosed from an early age as you say.

For the two younger children, her excuse is not supported by court documents that indicate that at least one of her children was removed because of her abuse. In any case, those kids were born around 1999, before the MS was diagnosed. That child chose to live with her father because of physical and emotional abuse from Samantha and her then boyfriend mark Phillips.

Significantly, Samantha is not in touch with any of these children now. They are grown adults. If they were adopted by their grandparents for their own good because of her disability, and it was a loving decision by Samantha, surely they would be in touch with their mother again? But no. They are not, and one of them, Noele has spoken about the physical abuse she suffered.

Are you calling her a liar @purpledalmation ? And are the court documents with reports from court officials who interviewed the child lying as well?

I’ve watched the whole of the original episode with Imarn Ayton through. She said they were racist.

Imarn defined racism. It was very interesting. That it’s made up of three parts. The first being feeling, the second being thought. They are ‘unconscious bias’. The third part is action. Which is racism. I suggest people who want/need to learn more about racism watch it through, because although she talks very very fast and it’s hard to keep up (I think she was under the pressure of time and Morgan’s interruptions), she has a lot of interesting stuff to say.

Imo, I don’t think Imarn was saying H&M were liars because the treatment by a royal family member didn’t happen. I thought she meant that they were were liars because Harry backed away from any accusations of racism in the Royal Family because he believed it was unconscious bias. It wasn’t unconscious bias if the member of the royal family said something racist - that was the action - the racism. So therefore he’s a liar to say it was unconscious bias.

But if I’m right about that, I can’t work out how Meghan is a liar here, because although she told Oprah that there was a question asked of Archie’s potential skin colour (and that implied racism to my mind), she has never denied the truth of that, as far as I know, and therefore she has not lied here by saying she never meant it was racism.

if Meghan has denied it since, I welcome the correction. I haven’t read the book yet, and the series has faded from my mind somewhat.

Oh, also I keep in mind that although Imarn Is one smart woman, she is only one opinion - albeit a very well informed opinion. No race of people is monolithic and where Imarn saw racism, others may not. Maybe.

I’m open to the fact I may have interpreted it incorrectly. I have a lot of brain fog from medication going on at times, so at times I feel like I’m fighting through fog to understand things. And watching things and posting with an iPhone is really labour intensive. (I spelt liars as lyers earlier).

@Saschka i understand what you are saying. And it is context. But that particular word is not said by anyone I know (in Australia), now. Different cultures, obviously. It’s ‘cigarette paper’ or ‘rollie paper’ etc. cigarettes are ‘ciggies’ etc.

So now we have a poster trying to create an argument over a slang word for a cigarette. Unbelievable.

No Pilates. I’m saying I Get it! That it’s different cultures and I’ve admitted my mistake.

I can't quite believe what I'm reading tbh!

@Morestrangethings the context is there if you read my post properly rather than going straight into faux outrage, which just makes you look at bit silly.

Blimey, sometimes you come on here and it's like entering the world of 'Oz' it's often entertaining but bloody bizarre and not at all representative of the real world. Good job I can click my glittery heels together and get myself back to reality pretty sharpish. TFFT.

A good analogy - the prejudice of the old and brainwashed foisted upon the young and vigorous who will have to live through this century, but thankfully I remain optimistic for the Times They are a Changing ...

I have a certain amount of humans sympathy for H&M as humans trapped in this twisted world and trying to escape, but, for me anyway ultimately it's a curse on all their houses (cottages, palaces etc, etc).

Charles III meets gen Z

Moreover, the monarchy would appear to face a potential achilles heel. Results from the survey over the years show that younger people are less likely than older people to say that it is “very important” that Britain has a monarchy.

Indeed, just 14% of under 35-year-olds take that view, compared with 44% of those aged 55 and over. This suggests there is a risk that support for the monarchy will decline as today’s older generation is replaced by younger cohorts.

And the belief that no one’s life could stand up to the intense scrutiny, prying and parsing over everything they ever said. And it’s unfair to do that to anyone.

Yet that’s exactly what MM did repeatedly regarding K on OW and Netflix…….

Do you have sources for your claims for this timeline @MrsMaxDeWinter

@Ooompaloopa

Samantha confirmed in interviews that she's been in a wheelchair since her diagnosis in 2008.

Ashley Hale was born in 1985. Samantha confirmed that she and Meghan were close in age.

Simple Maths says Samantha, born 1964, was 44 in 2008 and her eldest daughter was already an adult of 23.

There are publicly available court documents from a court in New Mexico regarding Noelle Rasmussen.

She herself has done an interview about the abuse, together with Samatha's mother.

You can search for any of this yourself, and don't have to take my work for it.

Ashleigh, not Ashley

And you don't have to take my WORD for it, not work.

My parents did not meet my husband before I got engaged and were also not at my wedding. My father never met my husband before he died. Not everyone does everything the same as everyone else.

It is important to be mindful that many people lead different lives to yours and talk about how they see things from their own experiences. As said to a previous poster - my experience of being engaged was very similar.

On the children with different fathers thing: Samantha had been telling the media she "raised Meghan". Meghan responded that no, she did not even raise her own children, she had three children with different fathers and lost custody of them all. That was the context, nothing to do with "slut shaming"

So of course Meghan was right to bring up that Samantha didn’t raise her own children but the different fathers bit is slut shaming.

So of course Meghan was right to bring up that Samantha didn’t raise her own children but the different fathers bit is slut shaming.

I don't really understand why she even had to bring Samantha not bringing up her own children into the conversation.
She could have denied vigorously that Samantha didn't bring her, Meghan, up and say that she saw very little of her - if that's the case - without having to bring Samantha's children into it at all.

@Morestrangethings I don't think one person on the planet defended clarksons GOT attack on Meghan. It was a vile attack but wasn't racist as the queen was white and there is no correlation with ethnicity. The word fag is simply a cigarette and faggot a meatball in the UK parlance. Just because a dictionary says it's a slur, I (as a Uk citizen) can assure you, it's very rarely used as a homophobic term. It is in America.

Imarn Ayton was a guest several times and on the last one i saw, she stated 'I apologise', I was wrong, they lied. They are both liars. Absolutely no ambiguity whatsoever. I can link you a video. I was shocked she said it so baldly in view of earlier statements. It was pointed out to her that using racism as a weapon undermines the real fight against racism

I think as pp said, the point here is that he was supposed to be walking her down the aisle at a televised event which involved probably the most famous woman in the world. It seems odd, to put it mildly, that both Harry and Meghan did not go and visit him beforehand to at least discuss what would happen on the day, what he should wear and where he would stay etc. It was never really going to work if they just bought him a plane ticket and expected him to pitch up just before the event 🤷‍♀️

Just as aside - as someone who used to travel loads I will obsessively look at who each airline code shares with because I will absolutely not fly certain airlines (I’m looking at you Air France and United 🤣) and will book to avoid them.

@MrsMaxDeWinter My point is it's absolutely vile to slut shame a woman who lost her children. I was simply speculating as to possible reasons. We don't know them. Samantha is a very damaged individual who had an abusive upbringing. Her children may have been removed because she was in an abusive relationship, she may simply have been unable to cope. Many damaged women are in bad relationships and her behaviour is so out of control and she possibly has some personality disorder. The point you utterly miss (you have form for taking what I say and completely reconstructing it into a lie) is there was no reason for Meghan to disclose this, other than to destroy her half sister.

You haven't addressed the possibility she may have helped raise meghan?

No one knows what happened or why. Samantha isn't a nice character but she didn't have loving parents or private schooling. She's a product of her upbringing. I am not defending her, just trying to see other the POV and show empathy. She a sad, lonely person. The last thing she needs are attacks from a millionaire sitting in a mansion paid for by a rich husband with a lifestyle paid for by slagging of her own and her husbands family.

The entire Markle family appear to be very dysfunctional

I’m presuming this is about me but no the slut shaming was not about Meghan’s acting career but about why one bit part she acted in was being brought up. And when I got to the bit about the 3 fathers I also said this was slut shaming.