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Harry just protecting the other "spares"

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Magnoliasunrise · 14/01/2023 06:52

Shocked to see in this mornings Telegraph that Harry is concerned for the other "spares" He just wants to break the bad parenting pattern and stop it happening to Charlotte or George. If I was W&K I would be absolutely LIVID by now. What does anyone else think?

www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/prince-harry-interview-bryony-gordon-spare-book/

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vera99 · 20/01/2023 23:58

DaughterOfPsychiatrist · 20/01/2023 18:02

There was NO live audience for Colbert - Harry’s segment was pre taped without an audience present due to ‘security concerns’.

www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2023-01-11/prince-harry-late-show-taping-absence-upsets-fans

That article you linked to doesn't suggest no audience.

vera99 · 21/01/2023 00:07

Ohnonevermind · 20/01/2023 19:23

@Peverellshire

Charles loves his son, but he also has to do what’s best for the monarchy.

It makes me want to watch the godfather 1 and 2 even though I watched them at Christmas

They are so good aren't they bit no 3 a real stinker....and that's because Francis Ford Copolla thought that nepotism and allowing his daughter who can't act to have a main role would be a good idea. Can you see the problem with that ?

Back to the no live audience - I really can't beleive that Stephen Colbert would conspire to fake such a reaction such as Harry had knowing that would eventually come out. That supposition is being circulated on these rubbish no-name gossip sites and trolled here for good measure. That really does stretch incredulity.

vera99 · 21/01/2023 00:09

IcedPurple · 20/01/2023 19:13

Coming next month. The Royal Family Conference. All the latest exclusive insights from behind palace walls. Stream it only on Netflix.

An Archewell Production.

I'm in but you maybe offering them helpful suggestions for further projects - don't tell them your name Pike !

AliceOlive · 21/01/2023 01:53

Finding Funding

vera99 · 21/01/2023 04:53

AliceOlive · 21/01/2023 01:53

Finding Funding

LOL !!

Spare Cash .....

BethDuttonsTwin · 21/01/2023 07:41

I think there was a live audience but that article definitely suggests it was a hand picked “live” audience.

JillBidensShoes · 21/01/2023 08:33

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I worked in publishing and most books are sent out on a Sale or Return basis. If most books are returned to the warehouse then they will be pulped. Did anyone see the Alan Partridge episode when he goes to watch his own book being pulped?

Lizziet64 · 21/01/2023 08:57

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BabyStopCryin · 21/01/2023 09:08

$20mil? Just as well he wasn’t happy to be a working member of the royals to earn his crust.

Because any Joe Blow could get a ghostwriter to write their misery memoir for $20 mil eh?

Bellalalala · 21/01/2023 09:15

Google says (not sayings it accurate) that over 3 million copies have been sold.

I have no idea how much a book costs produce (including all costs of editors, ghost writers, legal etc). But given the cost of Harry’s advance, as well, it’s seems like they need a lot more books to be sold.

Serenster · 21/01/2023 10:32

An advance is, in longer terms, an advance payment against the future royalties that the author will earn once their book is published. Typically, an author will earn 10-12% of the profit the publisher makes from the book sales.

PRH have sold a lot of copies of Spare, which is good for them, and good for Harry. The book’s RRP in the UK was £28. That’s obviously not the price that the retailers paid PRH to buy it though. Given some of the larger retailers immediately cut its price to hopefully sell more copies, the wholesale price must have been around £10-12, at a guess (the retailers are unlikely to sell below their purchase price on a new publication).

So, doing a very straightforward calculation on the assumption that all the copies are hardback (which we know they are not), selling 3 million copies at £12 per book = £36m to PRH. Being generous to Harry, and assessing his royalties at the higher end of the range (12%) that would earn him £4.32m. A great amount - but not remotely close to the £20m that PRH has allegedly paid him. That doesn’t really matter though - in a deal like this I would bet his advance was guaranteed - i.e. he wont have to pay it back.

That number is a simplistic calculation, based on a lot of assumptions. Firstly, royalties are paid out of the publisher’s profits, not gross sales revenue. So RPH will have to deduct all the production/ shipping/ translation/ publicity/ ghostwriter etc fees from what they make from the book. Harry’s royalties come out of what is left. So that will likely mean the figure is lower.

On the other hand, the 3m sales also include e-books and the audiobook. They are much cheaper to produce, and although they also sell for a lower price, the publisher makes more money on them. So that will bring the total profit figure up.

Bottom line, it’s impossible to know if Harry would earn his advance back in royalties. Based on the amount he was reported to have been paid, and the amount of books reportedly sold, it looks unlikely. Generally of course publishers think a book will have “legs” - it will continue to sell well over time, and then will also sell well as a paperback. I’m not sure whether that will be true for Spare - it made an almighty splash when first published, but will people be buying in large numbers in a month’s time? This is relevant because once Harry’s spent his advance on the book (which he would have been paid when he was signed up several months ago), he’s unlikely to earn more in future from Spare - it will take him a long time and an awful lot more sales to hit the £20m figure and then be entitled to be paid royalties as they are earned each year. So PRH are currently doing well from the sales, but they are the only ones.

Bellalalala · 21/01/2023 11:19

I think the paperback was about £5. I assume they are cheaper to make, but not substantially.

I wonder how many paperback vs hardback sold.

ancientgran · 21/01/2023 11:44

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I noticed lots of them in my local Sainsbury's and W H Smiths. I don't know how many they started off with so they might have sold hundreds or most of them might be unsold. Hard to know. I guess the information will come out at some point.

Lizziet64 · 21/01/2023 11:53

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KirstenBlest · 21/01/2023 11:58

I put copies of a EIIR biography over all the Spares in my local Tesco

Mrsjayy · 21/01/2023 12:01

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😂

AutumnCrow · 21/01/2023 12:48

There's a cardboard display unit of non-diminishing spare Spares in my local Asda. It started out near the main doors but has now been shunted to somewhere less visible, between the sarnies and comics. It's as if someone gave up on getting it in the actual book section.

Anyway, some wag has pinned a typed notice to the top of the display with 'RECENT FICTION' on it.

I'm suspecting the manager.

Blossomtoes · 21/01/2023 12:57

I saw a woman buy it in Tesco yesterday. She appeared to be the first one as the pile was huge.

JillBidensShoes · 21/01/2023 13:29

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Sometimes the author has to return the advance but mostly the publishing houses write it off and make a loss. This is what happened with the Pippa Middleton book (it made a loss) which is a shame as the books itself is quite good with great decorating ideas and recipes. It was designed for the global market which is why the Brits took the p out of the explanations for our traditions: we take our knowledge of Bonfire Night and the egg and spoon race for granted, hence the Twitter account @pippatips which posted satirical tweets at her expense.

AliceOlive · 21/01/2023 13:39

KirstenBlest · 21/01/2023 11:58

I put copies of a EIIR biography over all the Spares in my local Tesco

Too funny!

BlackFriday · 21/01/2023 13:40

Well, I don't doubt that it appears to be the fastest-selling book in a long time. But that doesn't mean that all the people buying it are Team Sussex.

Blossomtoes · 21/01/2023 13:53

BlackFriday · 21/01/2023 13:40

Well, I don't doubt that it appears to be the fastest-selling book in a long time. But that doesn't mean that all the people buying it are Team Sussex.

It doesn’t even mean that people are buying it. A vast number of the books “sold” are languishing in supermarkets and book shops, they’re counted as sold when they leave the publisher’s warehouse.

Shelefttheweb · 21/01/2023 14:02

BlackFriday · 21/01/2023 13:40

Well, I don't doubt that it appears to be the fastest-selling book in a long time. But that doesn't mean that all the people buying it are Team Sussex.

Absolutely! Just like people who slow down to look at a car crash don’t actually want to be in one (though slowing down to look increases their chances).

Shelefttheweb · 21/01/2023 14:03

Why the January release date? Wouldn’t the run up to Christmas have generated more present sales? Or is there too much competition? I thought January was normally a quiet month for any retail (sales aside)?

KirstenBlest · 21/01/2023 14:06

@Shelefttheweb , so that people would order it during the run up to Christmas, and that the publicity would be in the quiet post-Christmas lull.