Do you think Harry and Meghan are happy?

[Winterday1991]

It seems to me like Meghan plays the role of someone in love from footage of them over the years. It seems to me like their superior love story in the face of adversity is part of their brand and they are playing on it. For Harry, I have no doubt he is besotted with her, but just can’t believe that she truly loves him? My gut feeling is that she is just not as authentic as she claims.

Are they really happy and in love as they claim or is it all just a smokescreen?

No, truly happy stable people do not feel the need to hurt and degrade others.

@MarshaMelrose I don’t care if people discuss football. I wonder why that’s a Monday morning convo every week and have said so. I don’t care about football. I can and do still wonder why it’s such a big topic of conversation. Every Monday without fail. That does not mean I don’t want people discussing it. People can do what they want. Now exchange that for Meghan and Harry and every week for everyday. I get to still wonder what is it why people feel that need. Get it? understand now? No. Then you never will. Ultimately talk about them don’t. I’ll sit here observing it. And on occasion ask Why?

I’d agree with that. Yet here people on mumsnet do the same thing they accuse others of. Deleted threads galore because people actually overstep the mark in their degrading commentary. But the website was designed to help unstable people I suppose.

I think it would be pretty much impossible to be happy right now in their circumstances. You’d have to have some very serious mental disorders to be finding happiness in this situation.

so as much as they proclaim to be happy, I think the two of them must feel hurt, angry, scared, confused at the global response to their interviews and the book and what the future holds.

it is becoming very obvious sometjing is very wrong with harry , his grasp on reality is limited, to say the least.

his comments that Meghan was being brought in to revamp the monarchy, throw out all the stuffy procedures and start the new ones she saw fit. That now he is doing this as he will change it and save all the royals from themselves shows a very deluded man with signficant mental health problems. He seems to genuinely believe he is so important he is in a position to do this and to give Meghan that role.

i strongly believe that if William or Charles ever spoke out . Which they won’t it would show a deeply unwell man.

I can see why they’d be concerned about him marrying Meghan if we now look back and understand how unstable he is. She is egging him on, his enabler as she herself wanted fame and fortune.

well she now does have fame and fortune. One of the wealthiest and most famous women on the planet, but I doubt this current situation was her plan.

Over stepping on a thread is totally different to being paid to abuse and attack your own family, including the young children you are supposed to love and care about.

We are talking about scale.

Being in a bad mood on MN is not the same as making yourself a terrorist target with ill advised body counts.

Her smile never seems to meet her eyes when she looks at him, neither does her body language

Given his current vitriol towards William and Kate who until a few years ago seemed to be bestie Bro & SIL I could imagine Meghan being on the sharp end of that a few years down the line.

IME men who fall very intensely in love can quickly fall out of it too. If the relationship doesn't work as he imagined we might get a rerun of this just with Meghan as the main villain of the piece.

She may have brought her own agenda to the relationship but I could easily see it being a case of biting off more than you can chew.

They didn’t want to leave, they wanted half in half out, “collaborate with HMQ” or something, if they had got what they wanted none if this would be happening, they would be swanning around doing all the glamorous bits for the UK and then jet off home to Montecito not having to do any of the grunt work.

Half in/out in name only. They wanted all the security without any of the work. In any case, she was out of there, timed precisely. Nothing would have stopped her merching the f out of their name.

I don’t care if people discuss football. I wonder why that’s a Monday morning convo every week and have said so

Do you need to know why other people like doing things. They like it, you don't. It's not like it's that taxing to understand. We all enjoy different things. How do you get anything out of trying to ruin their enjoyment by keep asking them why?

I've no idea whether they are happy together.
Harry does not appear to be happy with all aspects of his life.
I think there is a risk that the "3rd person in the marriage" is his sainted mummy.
Whether they stay married may be nothing to do with happiness but rather more about whether it is in the best interests of their "brand"

Happy people don't sell their souls to the media.I suspect harry more so is deeply unhappy individual. If they were genuinely happy they would live their lives away from the media just like they wanted to originally.

Her blushing smile truly reaches her eyes when she's gazing at Wiliam (and everything he represents), there are so many videos showing these many moments on youtube etc. Sadly however, the smile never quite reaches her eyes when it's aimed at Harry. All the physical gestures, looks etc, all seems acted out. She doesn't want the druggie with no aim in life. She truly wanted the Heir and all the extras that came with it (you can see it shining out of Harry's book when he describes her reaction at seeing W&K's apartment), got disillusioned when she realised she was stuck with Harry and the life that came with him wasn't all she imagined it would be.

The book should have been Harry’s soul cleanser, it’s worrying for their relationship as he seems more angry after than before. That cannot be buried in other parts of his life

Ohhhh yes you are completely right!!!

Links to these YouTube videos?

Find them yourself..

I saw a clip online earlier where he talks about the first time the royal family met M . He is obviously v besotted and proudly states that his family were in awe of her and some didn't know what to do with themselves. Yeah right ! I can put that nonsense down to a man in love though !
He also says grinning from ear to ear that he thought they were impressed that he had pulled this woman ( he says something about not bad for a ginger ) . This says to me that she was somewhat of a trophy wife for H and he seems at pains to stoke up the rivalry between M and Kate. It is so obvious that he wanted to outdo William even in this hence the digs about W marrying for the institution and not for money etc. All v childish and hurtful to his brother and wife and Kate in particular has always seemed to treat him v warmly but it suits his narrative to say otherwise now of course
Ultimately I think they both had motivations apart from love to pursue the match although he still seems as besotted as ever. Not so sure about M though. Only time will tell but it would be humiliating to split after all the spin so I suspect they will stick it out.

SORRY . marry for love !

Oh, so I'm guessing there aren't any.

BTW there's loads of videos of the Queen doing the conga with Harry. Go and find them yourself if you're doubtful. Why would I need to back up my own statement...?

It is one of his psychological difficulties to fail to understand why she might be special to him, but nothing special to anybody else.
If the family had a checklist, Kate would score much higher. Meghan was not a catch for many reasons, none to do with race.

I think they seem happy as a couple (but of course as much as anyone can tell from the outside)
But he seems very far from happy in general.
He says he is happy and at peace
....but his demeanour in interviews, what he says about his family and the constant need to defend himself seems at odds with that

But in reality what do any of us know....?

Tell that to the Royals. All those leaks...and Andys behaviour of course. Seems hurtful and degrading.

Huh???? Why on earth would I want to look at videos of the Queen doing the conga with Harry?? I have absolutely no idea if there are any links to Meghan smiling at William I was just agreeing with another person that yes indeed she does look at William with genuine awe and affection. Why would I want to spend my time looking for links to evidence this because you have demanded this?

I wonder how much Harry has changed in Meghan's eyes?

Has he become more free and easy or has he become one of those people who just won't stop droning on about one thing or another.

Like if he's looking at social media or the papers and says 'see Meghan, this is what I meant. This is what X does or what Y is encouraging or how I felt when Z did this'

Is she's thinking 'for God sake give it a rest' or is she thinking 'yippee, I sense another few million in the bank' or 'you get it out of your system love, they were awful to you. Let's talk it through'. Because each one of those thoughts will determine her happiness with him surely?