Anyone else think Kate is coming across as a bit precious and over-sensitive? Baby brain, lip gloss etc.

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I'll start by saying I know there are 2 sides to every story. Also, I'm not a Megan fan. I have no idea what she's like. She might be awful. I neither like her, nor dislike her. I feel the same way about Kate.

But anyway, in light of the stories that Harry is telling, does anyone else feel that Kate (and William) comes across as rather precious and over sensitive?

First of all there's the baby brain incident. Apparently Kate forgot something or made a mistake and Megan responded by saying "Oh don't worry, it's probably the baby brain". Kate then feels insulted by this remark and says something along the lines of "You don't me well enough to comment on my hormones". William joins in by pointing his finger at Megan and saying "It's rude Megan, we don't do that here." I mean seriously?? I think the baby brain remark was completely benign. I'm sure Megan was trying to reassure Kate not to worry about her mistake. Just after having my baby I paid for my shopping and walked out leaving it in the shop. The cashier had to call me back and I apologised. She also said "Don't worry, it's the baby brain". I wasn't at all offended. I was relieved she understood! I certainly didn't think "How dare a stranger comment on my hormones". The irony of William telling Megan off for rudeness whilst pointing his finger at her. I find it far more rude to point in someone's face than to mention baby brain. If I was Megan and had received that reaction to my innocent remark I would have felt humiliated and very upset.

Then there's the lipgloss incident. Megan asked to borrow Kate's lipgloss. Kate lends it to her then gets upset that she dabs it with her finger. I understand some people don't want to share lip gloss but Kate could have said no. I don't understand what's so upsetting about Megan using her finger? If I lent someone my lip gloss I'd insist they used their finger and not their mouth. Apparently the mouth harbours more germs than your average toilet.

Then there's the report that William and Kate were uncomfortable being hugged by Megan. There are literally hundreds of photos of William and Kate hugging random strangers on the internet! Yet when Megan makes this faux pas it's offensive to them.

It seemed like William and Kate expected to be treated with great formality by Megan - as if she was one of their subjects. It also seems that Megan couldn't do anything right! Megan on the other hand perhaps expected a little more intimacy given that they were her partner's family. It doesn't sound like they did much to make her feel comfortable and welcome in to the family. Does anyone agree/disagree?

I'll start by saying I know there are 2 sides to every story.

Nasty poke of a title aiming at someone if you follow that opinion then.

The allegations are from someone who is lashing out and who also has varying recollections.

I feel that Kate hasn’t been the one coming across as very precious and over sensitive. That was fairly evident from the interview.

Context is key though. And the key words here are that you joke about baby brain with your “mum friends”.

At the time Meghan said this to Kate, Meghan was neither a mum nor Kate’s friend.

So in that context I think it was rude of Meghan.

Did H call her Kate or Catherine in the interview?

Fwiw I think K&W are incredibly formal and stuck up. Lazy too.

I notice you haven't got anything to refute them, though. Presumably you've seen the headlines where the queen herself said Kate was lazy?

The point about t isn't what was or wasn't said and with what intention behind it, but that H & M thought it was appropriate to put in the book.

It feels like retaliation for the 'briefing against' them them they accused palace officials of doing. A way of getting their own back. Not dignified or clever, IMHO.

You are wilfully misunderstanding this. Nothing wrong with plastic surgery. Everything wrong with sending out palace statements to refute that she had it, whilst same palace did exactly zero to protect Meghan.

I think whether you see Kate as being cold or Meghan as being over familiar will depend on your own style.

Personally, I would prefer a SIL like Kate (appears to be) - polite but only really freidnly/familiar once we know each other well and like each other, assuming that happens eventually.

I would also find hugging and lipgloss borrowing a bit too forward, but not because there is anything fundamentally wrong with them, it's just not my style.

It's an invasion of Kate's privacy to report a 'look' to the world. It wasn't as if she said anything or directed it at anyone in particular. It's not even newsworthy. Harry seems like he has very little to actually tell but is determined to dredge up something.

the new member of any family is bound to be in a position of some judgement, while the family members who spend the most time with them will be in a position of defending the interests of the family. this would be important in any family regardless of relative anonymity. now imagine a family that has such responsibilities regarding their relationship with the public. few families are so loved & scrutinized as the Royal Family of England. Look how much respect was shown to the Queen & her family after her passing by more than simply world leaders but buy people from every strata & stripe in every land on Earth. that does not happen except that they have achieved what few in history have managed.

Come on now. Wearing pale yellow or white colours to a wedding isn't done out of respect to the bride. Weird she couldn't wear a pale blue/pink/green/purple, all of which she has worn before. She did it to draw attention. The disingenous posters here acting like it's fine are clearly on an agenda.

the new member of any family is bound to be in a position of some judgement, while the family members who spend the most time with them will be in a position of defending the interests of the family. this would be important in any family regardless of relative anonymity. now imagine a family that has such responsibilities regarding their relationship with the public. few families are so loved & scrutinized as the Royal Family of England. Look how much respect was shown to the Queen & her family after her passing by more than simply world leaders but buy people from every strata & stripe in every land on Earth. that does not happen except that they have achieved what few in history have managed.

Oh yeah, she made such a big fuss, even going to the lengths of writing a book about it.......oh wait.....

Context is everything, maybe she was oversensitive or maybe it was the final straw after other snarky comments. Or maybe she just doesn't like Meghan? We are all entitled to like or dislike whoever we want and that doesn't need to have any relation to how other people view that person or how they view themsleves.

Yes true. And I get that to an extent although wild accusations are made about all the royal family at various times yet never complain never explain seems to work best in most situations in the long run for them.
However, this recent round of revelations accusations and frankly bizarre recounting of events such as how H lost his virginity is just going way beyond defence.
However we don’t have both sides. So none of us can really say if the other is being too sensitive or not.

I think it's probably a bit of both. Kate seems quite brittle, defensive, private - probably because she feels or has learned that she has to be in her position. Meghan seems to be the sort who would be super-familiar with you from day one and that's the way she bonds. I don't think it's totally about her being American or showbizzy; she might well be just the familiar type, which Harry found refreshing and the Cambridges found overwhelming and boundary-crossing. I don't think either is necessarily wrong.

Don’t know if it has been mentioned, as only read OP’s posts.
The funniest (actually more pathetic than funny) thing about Harry’s interview was when he was asked what he would say to William if they spoke. Harry said that that would be a private. He confirmed this by saying that, yes the conversation would be private and HE HOPED THAT IT WOULD STAY THAT WAY!!! FFS, what is his book about, if it isn’t about what KC III, Camilla, William and Kate have all apparently said to him and Meghan??? However, he now wants a future conversation to be private!!!

How can anyone EVER trust Harry (and Meghan) to keep anything private, when he has spent most of his time (and made most of his money), since stepping down as a Senior Royal, by dishing the dirt and telling his version about what has been said by his family?? I’m definitely not a Royalist, but he is pathetic and should lose all his Royal titles and definitely not be invited to KC’s coronation.

I’ll go look at the dress but wondered how you feel about Harry and Meghan announcing their pregnancy at Eugenie’s wedding? Also done to upstage the bride and take the attention for themselves? Or it ok in your mind?

I thought that further context was that it was said at/in relation to the infamous dress fitting where it was reported Meghan was being very cliquey with her former bestie, and had been a negatively comparing Charlotte to her friend's daughter.

Whereas announcing your pregnancy at a wedding....

Kate didn't wear cream, she wore a lemon outfit. All the women were wearing tonally-similar outfits, which helped make the wedding photos in the green drawing room look lovely.

Would you have preferred if Kate wore fuchsia or cobalt blue?

I'd say Meghan is coming off as less than a feminist with her baby brain comments.

It's as if Harry & Meghan sat down together and he said, can we think of some examples of when Kate made you look bad to go in the book? Something the papers haven't reported on yet? 3 would be enough to show a trend...

• Hmm, well there was that time with the lipgloss - she seemed a bit peeved when I asked to borrow it (I did have a cold sore at the time TBF).
• And I don't think she liked me hugging her the first time we met - you Brits are so formal!
• Oh yeah, she also took umbrage at a comment I made about her having a baby brain. WTF? It was supposed to be a joke...

Is that enough? Will that do the trick?

Hadn’t that outfit been worn previously? And hadn’t Kate just had a baby? I would have thought those two points drove the choice of outfit. A new outfit would have taken focus off the bride and you’d be moaning about that too. Possibly she was carrying a little baby weight - yes she’s thin but after each baby, quite normally, not as thin as she might want to be so maybe thought getting use out of an old outfit the better option.

Honestly, have you been pregnant? Telling a woman that has just given birth she must have baby brain is not great. Has anyone ever said to you - you are moody you must be on your period? If they haven't - how would you feel if they did? We get to decide how our hormones are its not for other to commentate.
Also, even if this was not done during the pandemic - I would object to my own hubby sticking his dirty fingers in my lip gloss. To me why was Meghan so vain she absolutely had to use lip gloss. If I had left it at home I would have gone damm that's annoying and not asked to use someone else's!

When you see that photo it does look like there was a planed colour palette. It all looks really harmonious and aesthetically pleasing

Ha yes if those are the worst things that can be said about Kate she’s doing pretty well!

That said I did a couple of really quite mad things in mid pregnancy. Sorry but pregnancy can affect your mental health and think women should be cut slack for it. I threw my handbag into a lake for example.