Anyone else think Kate is coming across as a bit precious and over-sensitive? Baby brain, lip gloss etc.

[SallyWD]

I'll start by saying I know there are 2 sides to every story. Also, I'm not a Megan fan. I have no idea what she's like. She might be awful. I neither like her, nor dislike her. I feel the same way about Kate.

But anyway, in light of the stories that Harry is telling, does anyone else feel that Kate (and William) comes across as rather precious and over sensitive?

First of all there's the baby brain incident. Apparently Kate forgot something or made a mistake and Megan responded by saying "Oh don't worry, it's probably the baby brain". Kate then feels insulted by this remark and says something along the lines of "You don't me well enough to comment on my hormones". William joins in by pointing his finger at Megan and saying "It's rude Megan, we don't do that here." I mean seriously?? I think the baby brain remark was completely benign. I'm sure Megan was trying to reassure Kate not to worry about her mistake. Just after having my baby I paid for my shopping and walked out leaving it in the shop. The cashier had to call me back and I apologised. She also said "Don't worry, it's the baby brain". I wasn't at all offended. I was relieved she understood! I certainly didn't think "How dare a stranger comment on my hormones". The irony of William telling Megan off for rudeness whilst pointing his finger at her. I find it far more rude to point in someone's face than to mention baby brain. If I was Megan and had received that reaction to my innocent remark I would have felt humiliated and very upset.

Then there's the lipgloss incident. Megan asked to borrow Kate's lipgloss. Kate lends it to her then gets upset that she dabs it with her finger. I understand some people don't want to share lip gloss but Kate could have said no. I don't understand what's so upsetting about Megan using her finger? If I lent someone my lip gloss I'd insist they used their finger and not their mouth. Apparently the mouth harbours more germs than your average toilet.

Then there's the report that William and Kate were uncomfortable being hugged by Megan. There are literally hundreds of photos of William and Kate hugging random strangers on the internet! Yet when Megan makes this faux pas it's offensive to them.

It seemed like William and Kate expected to be treated with great formality by Megan - as if she was one of their subjects. It also seems that Megan couldn't do anything right! Megan on the other hand perhaps expected a little more intimacy given that they were her partner's family. It doesn't sound like they did much to make her feel comfortable and welcome in to the family. Does anyone agree/disagree?

The velvet curtain was pulled aside when The Sun (or some other esteemed tabloid) revealed that the Queen's cornflakes were stored in a tupperware box on the dining room table and that she enjoyed watching Beadle's About.

Their true suburban form was shown to use then, all this squabbling is just confirmation.

No, I don't think the PoW was unreasonable.

If Harry has had to plummet so low as to make comments about lipgloss...🤬

That manchild needs a job.

Absolutely correct! The best lies have an some truth in.

A 'feminist' making comments about another woman's hormones when she'd only recently met her. Yep. That's fine .... if you are an arrogant arsehole

Kates a few years down the line of being part of the firm, compared to Megan,and has clearly built up a big wall and strong boundaries to deal with it.
I think Anne and Camilla are the same, only let their guard down for certain people. Megan expected to be one of those from the off and was shocked she wasn't,
Harry spilling every interaction they ever had, has shown Kate was right to be guarded.

@BellatrixLestrangesHeatedCurlers 😂😂😂 you really need to get a grip! You are posting some very toxic accusations.

I thought forcing Princess Charlotte who, at three years old, was still practically a baby into new uncomfortable shoes with no socks or tights is nasty. She looked uncomfortable on the photos but huge credit to her for being a great bridesmaid. Out of all the stories that have been told this I could not forgive a SIL. I thought Meghan is all so easy going and laid back and warm hearted, seeing she greeted Kate and William barefoot in ripped jeans with a big hug. Why could Charlotte not wear something comfortable and feel at was, does it not cut both ways?

feel at ease

I thought forcing Princess Charlotte who, at three years old, was still practically a baby into new uncomfortable shoes with no socks or tights is nasty. She looked uncomfortable on the photos but huge credit to her for being a great bridesmaid.

HUGE CREDIT to that practically a baby 3 year old

clearly the OP, who is on the Royal Family board, gives a fuck so she’s not wasting her time, she’s spending it discussing something she’s interested in. You’re the tit here, wasting YOUR time and taking time out of your super important day to tell someone to stop giving a fuck about something you apparently don’t give a fuck about! Who’s the idiot there? How daft can you get!

Yep yellow

You've not been here long enough if you think that comments about parenting from someone who isn't a parent is universally welcomed. So many stories where comments from childless siblings and other family are seen as problematic. (Plus lots of stories where women are embarrassed by ILs and husband doesn't defend her )
Meghan may not have intended to embarrass her SIL but didn't deserve the finger wagging.

I think one of the dumbest comments from Harry was admitting to using Cocaine at a party. Beginning to think he is a weed head with his comments.

But what's wrong with Kate caring about her image? Meghan also probably cares about her image, seeing as she had a nose job.

I'm not criticising BTW, I'm just saying - they are both women in the public eye and know they are being scrutinised and photographed and want to look as good as possible. What's so bad about that?

Harry apparently said Meghan was on the floor crying about something Kate had said or done. Imagine saying “Oh don’t worry darling, it’s just your hormones.”

I think it’s awful for him to share any of this. He makes his wife sound extremely petty that they feel these stories are somehow worthy of even remembering never mind repeating in a book.

Haven’t RTFT but I agree with Zelda’s comment on page one.

I’m not a tactile and can’t stand people hugging me, unless it’s DH or my children.

There is a person who could have explained to Meghan that his family are not touchy feely, British people are generally more reserved than, say, people from California, and his family has a formal system because it’s the Royal family.

I think we can't know what really went on. Who knows how much Kate's patience had been tried up to that point? Indeed we don't know if this incident really happened or the context.

A culture clash also seems likely to have been an element of it.

Kate does not seem uptight when she's interacting with individual members of the public on walk abouts, or with her husband and children. She certainly didn't used to seem remotely uptight when having a giggle Ruth Harry - there is footage galore of her sharing jokes with him. So I think it's unlikely that she is uptight as a person, and unlikely that she would create drama as there is no evidence of her ever doing this. If she was touchy and had a habit of falling out with people, there would be rumours of this, photographs and a history of not being able to retain staff.

However I don't get the impression that Kate feels the need to make people love her. She will be intimate with those she is close to but she doesn't seem to feel any need to act like Mother Teresa. I can imagine her just getting on with her life, finding Meghan rather exhausting and not feeling the need to hold her hand the way Meghan feels she should have done. At the time in question she was also probably taken up with a baby and terribly worried about her brother. Her brother in law's new wife properly didn't feel like her responsibility.

It's likely that Harry is looking back on this and reframing it in the context of the way things have gone.

That said, I wonder how much Meghan's treatment of shared staff affected Kate's attitude to becoming friends. If I saw someone entering my workplace and changing the tone by demeaning staff, I would tolerate them, view them as a problem, speak to them when I had to and no more. My patience would be more or less instantly exhausted.

I think it comes across like scraping the barrel to be honest. There is literally hours of footage of Kate on You Tube and other places if you put it together and she comes across as generally very level headed, warm and sincere. Perhaps she is a little bit fussy with her stuff and very boundaried but there is nothing wrong with that. She is the princess of Wales. Imagine everyone wanting piece of you all the time? Who wouldn't feel weary of that and be a bit guarded at times. There is probably context around the lip gloss thing - maybe she was already feeling irritated by Meghan/maybe she felt embarrassed sitting there in front of journos trading lip gloss. Did Meghan do it to make it look like they were 'super close BFFs' and Kate was cringing at the fakeness of it all? Who knows!
But I take people as I find them with my own eyes, not based other people's hearsay and Kate has never come across as anything other than level headed and kind. And also she's only human!

There's so much we don't know. There is a massive culture difference between the uk and America with different ideas of acceptable boundaries. Megan may have come in overconfident and rubbed her inlaws up the wrong way. Kate and William may have been too standoffish
When you don't gel with someone even the small stuff upsets u

I know, it's hilarious how many people come along and tell us we're wasting our time and they don't care. I mean, just scroll on by or hide the RF board if you don't care.

I don't go onto the Gardening threads and tell them all how I don't care about landscaping...

Not at all. Catherine strikes me as a fairly normal human being in all of these stories. She comes across very relatable.

The book clearly wants to make her the villain, but it backfires wildly.

Sheesh, where's the "exaggeration" and "hyperbole" team when you need them?

'Commenting about another woman's hormones'. Such drama... but it's mumsnet after all.🤣

The rumour is that Kate's here so she fits right in with that comment (if it happened). 😉

precious?

Compared with the 500+ pages, numerous interviews, complaints, etc, i think we know who is being precious.

I think they are two very different people who took a dislike to each other even though neither intended it. You can't get along with everyone. Everyone has a few people they just rub up the wrong way. I do think Kate seems pretty stuck up though.

Stop & think about how this alleged scenario appeared in Harry's book.

If you take as read it happened exactly as Harry described to his ghost writer, you have to accept that Meghan told Harry what happened and Harry happened to remember it months - probably years - later.

It seems so unlikely to me that anyone could get worked up about such a scenario to remember it for the rest of the day never mind make it a feature of their autobiography.

It's so odd.