Anyone else think Kate is coming across as a bit precious and over-sensitive? Baby brain, lip gloss etc.

[SallyWD]

I'll start by saying I know there are 2 sides to every story. Also, I'm not a Megan fan. I have no idea what she's like. She might be awful. I neither like her, nor dislike her. I feel the same way about Kate.

But anyway, in light of the stories that Harry is telling, does anyone else feel that Kate (and William) comes across as rather precious and over sensitive?

First of all there's the baby brain incident. Apparently Kate forgot something or made a mistake and Megan responded by saying "Oh don't worry, it's probably the baby brain". Kate then feels insulted by this remark and says something along the lines of "You don't me well enough to comment on my hormones". William joins in by pointing his finger at Megan and saying "It's rude Megan, we don't do that here." I mean seriously?? I think the baby brain remark was completely benign. I'm sure Megan was trying to reassure Kate not to worry about her mistake. Just after having my baby I paid for my shopping and walked out leaving it in the shop. The cashier had to call me back and I apologised. She also said "Don't worry, it's the baby brain". I wasn't at all offended. I was relieved she understood! I certainly didn't think "How dare a stranger comment on my hormones". The irony of William telling Megan off for rudeness whilst pointing his finger at her. I find it far more rude to point in someone's face than to mention baby brain. If I was Megan and had received that reaction to my innocent remark I would have felt humiliated and very upset.

Then there's the lipgloss incident. Megan asked to borrow Kate's lipgloss. Kate lends it to her then gets upset that she dabs it with her finger. I understand some people don't want to share lip gloss but Kate could have said no. I don't understand what's so upsetting about Megan using her finger? If I lent someone my lip gloss I'd insist they used their finger and not their mouth. Apparently the mouth harbours more germs than your average toilet.

Then there's the report that William and Kate were uncomfortable being hugged by Megan. There are literally hundreds of photos of William and Kate hugging random strangers on the internet! Yet when Megan makes this faux pas it's offensive to them.

It seemed like William and Kate expected to be treated with great formality by Megan - as if she was one of their subjects. It also seems that Megan couldn't do anything right! Megan on the other hand perhaps expected a little more intimacy given that they were her partner's family. It doesn't sound like they did much to make her feel comfortable and welcome in to the family. Does anyone agree/disagree?

I feel temporarily aggrieved over silly things with my sister all the time. Occassionaly my SIL . I'd have trouble remembering something that minor that happened several years ago. My DH , however, would have trouble remembering something like that for more than a few minutes!!🤣

I'm just wondering why these people attract so much attention, they are just people. No one should be bowing or whatever to anyone. They all seem to think they are something when reality its just a pair of brothers who were born into wealth scrapping and dragging their wives into it. I can imagine being married to William has probably gone to Kate middleton's head, people bowing and what not, she probably believes she should be worshipped. Reality is she just married someone from a very rich family.

I think it’s becoming popular to use it against Kate now in retaliation for the supposed racism Megan encountered. Like Megan-fans getting their own back by calling Kate “uppity” as they know no one can say it about Megan as it’s become verboten to say it about a black woman.

See also the comment about Megan being in a room with “uptight white people”. It’s ok to say this apparently, and point out the colour of W&K’s skin for no apparent reason.

Given it’s Harry’s book and his side of the story, I think it’s odd that these are the anecdotes that he thinks place him and Meghan I the absolute best light possible. I mean calling some you don’t know that well hormonal is just quite sexist and dismissive. If this is them telling their own story to look good, I’d love to know the truth.

I totally agree with you.

I agree with this. Everyone loves princess Ann. I remember when Kate and William got married there was a lip reader who said Princess Ann made some snearing remark and "commoners" marrying in to the family.

The whole story is so petty - like so many others revealed in the last few days.

No I think H is trying to make Kate sound precious and oversensitive. None of us have any idea whether or not it is true.

I bet mean girl vibes from her and Pippa bet they are loving the criticism of Meghan.

And Justine thinks that it's the Meghan haters that are deranged

This is only one side of the story
weve no idea what Kate and Wills think

the lipgloss thing is just stupid tho. Generally men don’t care enough about lipgloss to notice and women normally don’t share - that’s gross

I think Kate is comfortable with formality. She would not have lasted in the Royal Family if she was not comfortable with this.

Ah ok thanks. That makes sense

Sick of the lot of it. Someone take his batteries out please

I get so annoyed at people who use being reserved as an insult. Being a bit reserved, and "stiff upper lip" was perfectly normal in the UK until very recently. I agree that talking more about feelings and being open may be better for some, but there are plenty of us (non-royals) who like a bit of formality with those we don't know or like.

And anyone outside of very close family and friends (ie people I know well and like) commenting on my hormones would be rude. There's nothing wrong with having boundaries regarding the way you are treated and spoken to. I wouldn't tolerate being sworn at, for example, but some people don't care. I'm not wrong when I point out to someone that I don't like it.

Agreed.
I mean what else is there to come?

''The Day A Pea Rolled Across The Table Towards Me''
''I just knew as soon as i saw the pea crossing the perfect table cloth that this was no accident. It came from the direction of the Duchess of Cambridge's plate .... That pea was a sign of just how unwelcome i was at that table; moreover the family at all. I tried to approach various members of the family about it after the dinner but they ALL pretended not to understand. I cried all the way back to the cottage that night and H was livid''.

I agree. I'm very reserved, even for a British person!

Well done OP, you've fallen completely for the narrative being peddled by H & M - that is exactly what they want you to think.

None of us really knows the true picture but it's probably not this.

Harry has repurposed the “never explain, never complain” of his grandmother to its logical antithesis: always explain, always complain.

Having digested his insight and approach, some thoughts:

·Harry never intended to hurt his family with Spare.
I am glad that is cleared up.
His intent, it seems, was to bring clarity and truth to the royal family.
Perhaps he shared his experience of a lifetime and has them talking to toilets – who knows?
·But we do know, the path to Hell is paved with good intentions – so whatever his intent or non-intent (which I am not sure is a word but what Harry wanted to focus on) we have now, all of us, have entered the Gates of Hell.
·Now – this gets interesting. Who guards the gates of Hell? (“I will take multi-headed, vicious dog for $100, Alec” - US tv show).
·Correct: Cerebus is a “work dog” that guards Hell and does not let people enter without an invitation and certainly does not let them leave.
·Cerebus keeps people in Hell: hold that thought.
·I have a theory.
I believe Meghan and Harry were mere mortals when they arrived at Winfrey’s vomitorium for their gab-fest.
·I believe they left the premises metamorphosed into a modern-day Cerebus.
·That is where we are: Hell. Unless Virgil’s Aeneid and Sybil come by (she was the brains and brought a honeyed biscuit which put Cerebus to sleep), we are stuck here for good listening to him explain and her complain. Great!

I haven't fallen for it! It was an impression I got from H and M's stories but as I said at the beginning I realise there are 2 sides to every story.

Good grief. Catherine is absolutely entitled to assert her boundaries with a virtual stranger making offensive and overly familiar remarks about her hormones and who invaded her personal space by hugging her. As for the lip gloss..ugh I think that's grim and unhygienic.

🤣🤣🤣

We don't know the context or the build up to these exchanges or how they played out so it's impossible to say, but talking about baby brain and asking for lip gloss could certainly be a forced and unwanted intimacy and read a bit like a power play on Meghan's part.

They can be viewed as small intrusions which prompt a response by someone wanting to maintain boundaries and of course as soon as you as you do that you generate juicy material for marketable future disclosures.

Had the exchanges gone differently I imagine Meghan would have the opportunity to gush about the intimate relationship the two of them had such that they joked about baby brain together etc, and that would have been the marketable disclosure.

From a cynical perspective there was money to made whichever way these interactions played out for Meghan.

No I don't. I imagine Kate is a very good judge if character though. There's almost as much fiction in your post as there is in the book. And the Netflix doc. And the Oprah interview.

Harry has repurposed the “never explain, never complain” of his grandmother to its logical antithesis: always explain, always complain.

Having digested his insight and approach, some thoughts:
·Harry never intended to hurt his family with Spare.
I am glad that is cleared up.
His intent, it seems, was to bring clarity and truth to the royal family.
Perhaps he shared his experience of a lifetime and has them talking to toilets – who knows?
·But we do know, the path to Hell is paved with good intentions – so whatever his intent or non-intent (which I am not sure is a word but what Harry wanted to focus on) we have now, all of us, have entered the Gates of Hell.
·Now – this gets interesting. Who guards the gates of Hell? (“I will take multi-headed, vicious dog for $100, Alec”).
·Correct: Cerebus is a “work dog” that guards Hell and does not let people enter without an invitation and certainly does not let them leave.
·Cerebus keeps people in Hell: hold that thought.
·I have a theory. I believe Meghan and Harry were mere mortals when they arrived at Winfrey’s vomitorium for their gab-fest.
·I believe they left the premises metamorphosed into a modern-day Cerebus.
·That is where we are: Hell. Unless Virgil’s Aeneid and Sybil come by (she was the brains and brought a honeyed biscuit which put Cerebus to sleep), we are stuck here for good listening to him explain and her complain. Great!

M has a whole podcast series about not stereotyping women. Baby brain does not fit that at all.

Why should Kate do what Meghan wants re hugs etc rather than the other way round or meeting in the middle? Why is a woman having preferences like not being hugged over sensitive and precious? She was a mum so possibly touched out and prefer to hug people once they'd met a few times.

The lip gloss thing is understandable- many wouldn't share and I bet she threw the lipgloss away afterwards. I would also hazard a guess that if she reacted then it was involuntarily rather than on purpose. Most people have experienced doing something without being fully sure and probably having a face at the time.

You need to remember this is Harry telling the story. There may be elements of truth but he's trying to make Kate look bad so there's going to be some variation on his recollection. The fact that he's resorted to stories like reluctance to share lipgloss probably means that she tried but was very different to Meghan which isn't a crime.

+1

(Though I wish I did 😇)