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Anyone else think Kate is coming across as a bit precious and over-sensitive? Baby brain, lip gloss etc.

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SallyWD · 09/01/2023 12:09

I'll start by saying I know there are 2 sides to every story. Also, I'm not a Megan fan. I have no idea what she's like. She might be awful. I neither like her, nor dislike her. I feel the same way about Kate.

But anyway, in light of the stories that Harry is telling, does anyone else feel that Kate (and William) comes across as rather precious and over sensitive?

First of all there's the baby brain incident. Apparently Kate forgot something or made a mistake and Megan responded by saying "Oh don't worry, it's probably the baby brain". Kate then feels insulted by this remark and says something along the lines of "You don't me well enough to comment on my hormones". William joins in by pointing his finger at Megan and saying "It's rude Megan, we don't do that here." I mean seriously?? I think the baby brain remark was completely benign. I'm sure Megan was trying to reassure Kate not to worry about her mistake. Just after having my baby I paid for my shopping and walked out leaving it in the shop. The cashier had to call me back and I apologised. She also said "Don't worry, it's the baby brain". I wasn't at all offended. I was relieved she understood! I certainly didn't think "How dare a stranger comment on my hormones". The irony of William telling Megan off for rudeness whilst pointing his finger at her. I find it far more rude to point in someone's face than to mention baby brain. If I was Megan and had received that reaction to my innocent remark I would have felt humiliated and very upset.

Then there's the lipgloss incident. Megan asked to borrow Kate's lipgloss. Kate lends it to her then gets upset that she dabs it with her finger. I understand some people don't want to share lip gloss but Kate could have said no. I don't understand what's so upsetting about Megan using her finger? If I lent someone my lip gloss I'd insist they used their finger and not their mouth. Apparently the mouth harbours more germs than your average toilet.

Then there's the report that William and Kate were uncomfortable being hugged by Megan. There are literally hundreds of photos of William and Kate hugging random strangers on the internet! Yet when Megan makes this faux pas it's offensive to them.

It seemed like William and Kate expected to be treated with great formality by Megan - as if she was one of their subjects. It also seems that Megan couldn't do anything right! Megan on the other hand perhaps expected a little more intimacy given that they were her partner's family. It doesn't sound like they did much to make her feel comfortable and welcome in to the family. Does anyone agree/disagree?

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MarshaBradyo · 10/01/2023 14:59

Out

ReneBumsWombats · 10/01/2023 15:03

BradfordGirl · 10/01/2023 14:50

@JemimaTiggywinkles It is not a startingly good colour coordination. A dress that can look white was always going to be a controversial choice for a SIL.
If ever anyone asks on here about wearing a dress to a wedding that is a very light colour close to white they are told no.

Of course it is. All on the same colour wheel. The ladies in the wedding party looked great together.

In retrospect the yellow might not have been the best choice since it does photograph very lightly in the bright sunshine, but the indoor photos show it was clearly yellow, you'd never mistake it for white, and it probably looked yellow in the flesh too. Chalk it up to experience. Even the Royals make mistakes.

It's odd that there were bridesmaid dress dramas just a few days ahead though. Wouldn't that have been sorted sooner? Was it because the girls were growing?

SingingWithSeals · 10/01/2023 15:05

BradfordGirl · 10/01/2023 14:55

That would make sense. Dorias dress is a light green, Camillas is a light pink. Kates is too light yellow though. It looks white in certain lighting. And looks off white in the official wedding photos.

This (women asked to wear pastels) was suggested by a poster pages and hours ago, even if the OP just decided now to repeat what others said.

Can we Move ON?!

GinoVino · 10/01/2023 15:08

One thing MM hasn't mentioned is the colours of dresses other women wore at her wedding so no need for all this arguing is there. Maybe she's not fussed because she chose the pastel theme or was given guidance about what was appropriate. Or maybe it's because she realises she's the bride and wouldn't have been upstaged and no one would be confused about who was who! Or maybe it was because she thinks she already got married, 2 days before in the back garden.

PinkTonic · 10/01/2023 15:09

BradfordGirl · 10/01/2023 14:50

@JemimaTiggywinkles It is not a startingly good colour coordination. A dress that can look white was always going to be a controversial choice for a SIL.
If ever anyone asks on here about wearing a dress to a wedding that is a very light colour close to white they are told no.

MN is obsessed with what is and isn’t suitable for a wedding guest. The outfit was demonstrably a) yellow and b) not a wedding dress. It was entirely suitable, aligned with the theme and not in any way offensive.

CoCoMist · 10/01/2023 15:12

One thing MM hasn't mentioned is the colours of dresses other women wore at her wedding so no need for all this arguing is there.

There is no chance the dresses of other senior royals were not 👌approved by meghan before the wedding.

MarshaBradyo · 10/01/2023 15:12

BradfordGirl · 10/01/2023 14:50

@JemimaTiggywinkles It is not a startingly good colour coordination. A dress that can look white was always going to be a controversial choice for a SIL.
If ever anyone asks on here about wearing a dress to a wedding that is a very light colour close to white they are told no.

Can’t you think it through

If there’s a pastel theme it would be different wouldn’t it?

SingingWithSeals · 10/01/2023 15:18

GinoVino · 10/01/2023 15:08

One thing MM hasn't mentioned is the colours of dresses other women wore at her wedding so no need for all this arguing is there. Maybe she's not fussed because she chose the pastel theme or was given guidance about what was appropriate. Or maybe it's because she realises she's the bride and wouldn't have been upstaged and no one would be confused about who was who! Or maybe it was because she thinks she already got married, 2 days before in the back garden.

Bloody good point - this hasn’t been mentioned by Meghan or Harry in his book.

But I know why it’s being brought up repeatedly by a poster here - deflection. Same as always. We’ll next have “Andrew was also in white to represent the innocence of the young vulnerable women he likes to abuse but no one’s mentioned HIM”.

ChimneyPot · 10/01/2023 15:22

What I want to know is if Kate brought Meghan flowers and apologised for the upset over the flower girls dresses did Meghan send Kate flowers and apologise when a blind gossip piece, that was unflattering to Kate and supportive of Meghan, appeared on a Canadian gossip site after one of their early interactions?
Surely it came from Meghan? Either directly or indirectly through friends

goodbyestranger · 10/01/2023 15:24

It's odd that there were bridesmaid dress dramas just a few days ahead though. Wouldn't that have been sorted sooner? Was it because the girls were growing?

There wasn't a drama until Kate made one though, by saying Charlotte cried and they all had to be re-made. No doubt she left it intentionally late to maximise stress.

PicturesOfDogs · 10/01/2023 15:26

Bababluesheep2 · 10/01/2023 14:44

Also as future Queen surely Kate needs to work on her face! I mean she looks so pissed off in many photos of her over recent years….she needs to take some acting lessons from Meg!

Meghan does look very serene, unless you speak without her permission.

I don’t think I’ve seen Kate look this pissed off either.

Anyone else think Kate is coming across as a bit precious and over-sensitive? Baby brain, lip gloss etc.
Anyone else think Kate is coming across as a bit precious and over-sensitive? Baby brain, lip gloss etc.
trucklebrunch · 10/01/2023 15:27

She probably brought her flowers because Meghan was stressed and it was all kicking off with Dad Markle at the time. Meghan has taken the flowers as a symbol of guilt and apology. (Because she's always in the right of course)

Btw throwing them in the bin is really dramatic of Meghan and shows how bitter she was about Kate (I bet they were beautiful flowers too).

SighsTheNewWord · 10/01/2023 15:33

PicturesOfDogs · 10/01/2023 15:26

Meghan does look very serene, unless you speak without her permission.

I don’t think I’ve seen Kate look this pissed off either.

Not participating in the the "looking passed off" debate but the second photo looks either photoshopped or she was caught mid-inhale, as opposed to looking pissed off.

SighsTheNewWord · 10/01/2023 15:33

pissed

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/01/2023 15:35

goodbyestranger · 10/01/2023 15:24

It's odd that there were bridesmaid dress dramas just a few days ahead though. Wouldn't that have been sorted sooner? Was it because the girls were growing?

There wasn't a drama until Kate made one though, by saying Charlotte cried and they all had to be re-made. No doubt she left it intentionally late to maximise stress.

Harry says the dresses had just arrived, and that Meghan took a long time to reply.

He also says that Kate had her own tailor look at it - presumably with the intention of just getting it sorted herself if possible

not her fault the dress was badly made. Not Meghan's either

PicturesOfDogs · 10/01/2023 15:55

SighsTheNewWord · 10/01/2023 15:33

Not participating in the the "looking passed off" debate but the second photo looks either photoshopped or she was caught mid-inhale, as opposed to looking pissed off.

That’s the point though, all phots are just snap shots.
this was in response to someone saying Kate needs to look at /learn from Meghan, because she looks angry in photos.

I think they both look fine, lots of photos of both of them smiling etc

Mezmer · 10/01/2023 15:55

No

PicturesOfDogs · 10/01/2023 15:57

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/01/2023 15:35

Harry says the dresses had just arrived, and that Meghan took a long time to reply.

He also says that Kate had her own tailor look at it - presumably with the intention of just getting it sorted herself if possible

not her fault the dress was badly made. Not Meghan's either

Sounds to me like Kate did try and get it sorted herself, but was told it’s not possible and had to be redone.
Basically, it was that bad her team wouldn’t touch it.
the texts in and off themselves, well they both sound short and pissy.

But objectively regarding the dress, it was awful. An off the rack one would have been better.
I wonder how much they cost?

DuchessOfPort · 10/01/2023 16:43

Serenster · 10/01/2023 10:25

And also, the howls that “she did it to draw attention” are more than a little ridiculous given that this was a globally televised and covered event. The three women who were going to be most shown and photographed out of the whole congregation, no matter what they were wearing, were always going to be Meghan, the Queen and Kate.

I think everyone knew which one the bride was, not matter what Kate wore. The one in the long white dress, with a priceless diamond tiara on her head and a long veil, being walked down the aisle by the Prince of wales, in case you need help. Or were you confused because there were also small girls in white dresses with her, and you couldn’t tell which was which?🤣

Agreed. Also, please see this photo of QE2 desperately trying to get the attention off Camilla, the bride…

Anyone else think Kate is coming across as a bit precious and over-sensitive? Baby brain, lip gloss etc.
BethDuttonsTwin · 10/01/2023 16:48

DuchessOfPort · 10/01/2023 16:43

Agreed. Also, please see this photo of QE2 desperately trying to get the attention off Camilla, the bride…

😁

DownNative · 10/01/2023 18:09

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 10/01/2023 12:51

Except they did not tell ANY provable lie, and the only one people can come up with is the wedding ceremony which has been explained over and over and over again as a cultural difference regarding usage of common terms.

Since the Oprah interview with Meghan and Harry has cropped up again, here is several questionable claims they made to Oprah that clearly aren't true.

Claim: "I guess the highlight for me is sticking him on the back of a bicycle in his little baby seat and taking him on bike rides which is something I was never able to do when I was young. I can sit him on the back and he’s got his arms out and he’s like ‘whoah’.” - Prince Harry

Truth: Harry did go on bike rides with his father at various ages. Photos available online.

Claim: Meghan: “[But] you know, three days before our wedding, we got married. No-one knows that.

“We called the Archbishop and we just said, ‘Look, this thing, this spectacle is for the world but we want our union between us.’ So, the vows that we have framed in our room are just the two of us in our backyard with the Archbishop of Canterbury.”

Harry added: “Just the three of us.”

Truth: Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby: “The legal wedding was on the Saturday. I signed the wedding certificate, which is a legal document, and I would have committed a serious criminal offence if I signed it knowing it was false.”

Claim: Oprah: "After their move, Harry and Meghan say security normally provided by the royal family was cut off.”

Harry: “I never thought that I would have my security removed, because I was born into this position. I inherited the risk. So that was a shock to me. That was what completely changed the whole plan.”

Truth: Only a strict few members of the Royal Family were entitled to 24/7 protection at the time of the Oprah interview. These are:

the Queen and Prince Philip
Charles and wife Camilla Duchess of Cornwall
William and Kate and their kids

Working Royals are entitled to protection ONLY when undertaking official Royal duties. Princess Anne and Prince Edward are two examples.

Non-working members of the Royal Family are NOT entitled to official protection. Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice as well as the Queen's eldest grandchild, Zara Tindal are examples.

"Once Harry and Meghan step down as working royals, they become high net worth individuals/A-list celebrities but that doesn’t entitle them to taxpayer-funded security. Elton John has to pay for his own security and so do Harry and Meghan.” - Simon Morgan, a former royal protection officer.

Royal Protection officers are funded by the British Taxpayer.

Both Harry and Oprah clearly pointed the finger at the Royal Family regarding the loss of Royal Protection officers for Harry and Meghan.

In truth, London Metropolitan Police’s Royal and VIP Executive Committee make the decisions over who is entitled to Protection.

And who isn't.

Harry knew very well that ceasing to be a working Royal would absolutely mean losing the elite protection. After all, it was never a secret that various non-working Royals do NOT get armed protection.

So, why would he and his wife?

The truth was clearly distorted by Oprah, Meghan and Harry.

Claim: Meghan: "You couldn’t just go. You couldn’t. I mean, you have to understand, as well, when I joined that family, that was the last time, until we came here, that I saw my passport, my driver’s licence, my keys. All that gets turned over. I didn’t see any of that any more."

Truth: For security reasons, the passports of each member of the Royal Family is looked after until they require them for international travel. That's just commonsense.

To Oprah, Meghan claimed she never saw her passport again until "we came here" which would be California. However, this is clearly a lie as she required her passport for travelling to Canada upon leaving the UK.

And, in 2019, required her passport for travel to the USA for a rather extravagant baby shower which was attended by many of her friends.

All members of the Royal Family require a passport for ALL travel where its required.

Except for the Queen since it's issued in her name.

As proven here: www.royal.uk/passports

Meghan Markle also claimed:

"....the first member of color in this family isn't being titled in the same way as other grandchildren would be."

On the contrary, Archie is really treated no differently to the Queen's grandchildren who aren't entitled to the Prince and Princess style.

Zara Tindall and Peter Phillips, for example, don't have this style. Zara is the Queen's eldest grandchild, by the way.

Furthermore, Prince Edward's children are NOT styled as Prince and Princess despite the Letters Patent of 1917. They are styled as children of the Earl - not HRH Prince and Princess.

Edward's children are the first to have the double barrelled Mountbatten-Windsor name.

Harry and Meghan's son, Archie, is treated in the exact same way as Edward's children AND he carries the same double barrelled surname as they do.

Here again, Meghan's implied claim of racism doesn't stand up. And that does cast enough doubt on their other claim of racism regarding a senior Royal whose identity they say they have no intention of disclosing.

Of course, Meghan incorrectly referred to Archie as one of the Queen's grandchildren. He was a great-grandson of the late Queen since his father, Harry was her grandson. Archie was treated NO differently to any great-grandchildren who WEREN'T entitled to Prince and Princess titles during the late Queen's reign.

Gilmorehill · 10/01/2023 18:27

IcedPurple · 09/01/2023 23:30

And just from measurements, not even a live fitting.

What’s even the point of couture if you don’t get them measured in person?

DueyCheatemAndHow · 10/01/2023 18:27

I'm.genuinely agog that anyone would spend this long dissecting a conversation which happened between people they dont know, don't have an affect on them at all, and one that they don't actually know what was said?!

I mean seriously?!?

SighsTheNewWord · 10/01/2023 18:32

Entertainment comes in different forms. It's when you take it too seriously, including when you take posters too seriously, that it becomes a problem.

User8646382 · 10/01/2023 18:34

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 10/01/2023 09:44

No, it is not. In both examples, both men chose to marry the women they love. In both examples, jealous and bitter women decided to tear apart the women the men love and both women received sexist, and racist, abuse.

No, in both cases weak, vulnerable men with mummy issues and brains fried with acid were targeted by ambitious, narcissistic women, who isolated them from everyone who loved them and made sure there was no going back. In both cases, the men were made to look stupid, but at least John had an excuse, being shoved with drugs and hypnotised. Harry, God love him, seems to be merely stupid.