Anyone else think Kate is coming across as a bit precious and over-sensitive? Baby brain, lip gloss etc.

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I'll start by saying I know there are 2 sides to every story. Also, I'm not a Megan fan. I have no idea what she's like. She might be awful. I neither like her, nor dislike her. I feel the same way about Kate.

But anyway, in light of the stories that Harry is telling, does anyone else feel that Kate (and William) comes across as rather precious and over sensitive?

First of all there's the baby brain incident. Apparently Kate forgot something or made a mistake and Megan responded by saying "Oh don't worry, it's probably the baby brain". Kate then feels insulted by this remark and says something along the lines of "You don't me well enough to comment on my hormones". William joins in by pointing his finger at Megan and saying "It's rude Megan, we don't do that here." I mean seriously?? I think the baby brain remark was completely benign. I'm sure Megan was trying to reassure Kate not to worry about her mistake. Just after having my baby I paid for my shopping and walked out leaving it in the shop. The cashier had to call me back and I apologised. She also said "Don't worry, it's the baby brain". I wasn't at all offended. I was relieved she understood! I certainly didn't think "How dare a stranger comment on my hormones". The irony of William telling Megan off for rudeness whilst pointing his finger at her. I find it far more rude to point in someone's face than to mention baby brain. If I was Megan and had received that reaction to my innocent remark I would have felt humiliated and very upset.

Then there's the lipgloss incident. Megan asked to borrow Kate's lipgloss. Kate lends it to her then gets upset that she dabs it with her finger. I understand some people don't want to share lip gloss but Kate could have said no. I don't understand what's so upsetting about Megan using her finger? If I lent someone my lip gloss I'd insist they used their finger and not their mouth. Apparently the mouth harbours more germs than your average toilet.

Then there's the report that William and Kate were uncomfortable being hugged by Megan. There are literally hundreds of photos of William and Kate hugging random strangers on the internet! Yet when Megan makes this faux pas it's offensive to them.

It seemed like William and Kate expected to be treated with great formality by Megan - as if she was one of their subjects. It also seems that Megan couldn't do anything right! Megan on the other hand perhaps expected a little more intimacy given that they were her partner's family. It doesn't sound like they did much to make her feel comfortable and welcome in to the family. Does anyone agree/disagree?

The age mattered precisely because they were rushing to get married due to Meghan's advanced age.

Had Meghan been in her late twenties, they could have taken many more years to get to know each other, and not rushed the wedding and subsequent children.

They were barely together for a year when Harry proposed.

No it isn't reality .

Also how on earth does he talk about football racism, but has a problem addressing it for his SIL.

I found that so weird. Especially as footballers are a team with lots of support (amongst their teammates and fans) and MM was just alone with H. Even MPs/Lawyers/Journalists of colour had to come out and defend her in the absence of royal support.

Don't get me started on the public writing complaints regarding Piers and Clarkson.

I don't blame them for rushing the wedding - Meghan was 38 and they wanted children. Had Meghan been younger, they could have taken much longer to get to know the RF and how the households work, and indeed whether it suited Meghan and her aspirations or not. They needed much more time before getting married.

It was rushed
Meghan was not prepared
It was done too quickly and the rest is history.

Plus, the person is there waiting to alter the dress, why should new dresses be made.

It’s like on Bake-off Sometimes it’s simply unsalvageable and the best thing to do is start again. It’s also very hard to start mucking around with alterations in expensive fabrics. Seams and darts etc leave visible holes in the fabric. And often it will be faster to just start again rather than painstakingly unpicking every seam and then recutting damaged fabric.

But there is no power imbalance between William and Kate. That’s a pretty big difference.

I genuinely can't tell if some people think 'baby brain" means 'tiny, shrunken brain'.

Otherwise why is it seen as a put-down?

I don't see any difference between [for example] "oh don't feel too bad, it's probably the baby brain so it's understandable. I'm sure we'll find it soon"' and 'oh don't feel too bad, you've just had a baby so it's understandable. I'm sure we'll find it soon'.

One seems like shorthand for the other statement. I'm surprised people are acting like this isn't a normal and widespread term.

I think it would be very weird if the entire Royal Family had commented on racism towards Meghan individually and collectively. The first time racism was mentioned was in the statement Prince Harry insisted on BP putting out when he was dating Meghan, and I remember being very surprised as I hadn't noticed anything but anti-American sentiment (which is far stronger, in my opinion, than racism in the UK in those circles). She then definitely DID have a hard time in the press, which might well have been made even stronger by covert or overt racism, and that was made worse by snide little remarks on line and things like the picture of the chimpanzee Danny Baker tweeted when Archie was born - I think I would have a very hard time forgiving that. But the idea that William had a duty to speak up on behalf of his adult brother's adult wife every time something upset her is really odd. He wasn't king. He wasn't PoW. I still don't really know what Harry and Meghan wanted that they didn't get - vague allusions to support of some kind don't really explain how they wanted the family to react.

Isn't there? I'd say there will always be a power imbalance between the monarch/future monarch and their spouse. A big one at that.

Depending on how the bodice length was it might not have even been possible to recut. If it was much too wide but not too long (the excess length might have been in the skirt) then you can't shuffle down to allow you to recut the neckhole (suspect you know this!)

Given how big the bodice was post alterations (I posted a photo of it upthread where you can see lots of excess fabric) it really should have been remade. The skirt likely would have been salvageable, but for a good fit I think the bodice and probably the sleeves were beyond saving if you wanted a good fit.

Kate is often criticised for having a style which is kind of dull and frumpy - some of her stuff is lovely bit jeez you don't always have to wear a coat dress - but what she does tend to have is beautifully fitted clothes. Even when she wears high street she obviously gets almost everything tailored so I suspect it's an area she has probably gained decent knowledge about over the years. And Harry says somewhere else that she apparently took the dress to another tailor (I think I've seen both the palace tailor and McQueen suggested in different versions) so it actually looks like Charlotte tried it on, she realised it was bad, and got a second opinion before telling Meghan it needed remade. The "texts" shown in the DM etc aren't the whole story.

<Awaits someone posting pics of Kate in something badly fitted...I'm talking in general terms!>

It was rushed
Meghan was not prepared
It was done too quickly and the rest is history.

That's a decent summary.
On a different note I am enjoying the posts from the expert seamstresses on this thread! I'm fairly useless in that department and your skills sounds impressive to me.

Yes @StatisticallyChallenged , I agree with everything you’ve said. The other thing I was pondering is the time factor. If there’s one tailor at the Palace handling alterations for all six bridesmaids’ dresses and they all need major work, that’s going to put them under huge time pressure.

How does a 'gold digger' pay for sofas though.

How many colours will be attributed to KM dresses. Primrose/Lemon?
It was off white.

We shall never know. The examples that H has given are so, so petty it’s clear he is eaten up with resentment inside. W&C probably just don’t like them. However, if C did not share the lipgloss it would have been used against her, and as a fellow none huggy person I would feel uncomfortable with a near stranger trying to hug me. So she can’t win.

4 days to do significant alterations on 6 silk bridesmaids dresses? Doesn't sound much fun that's for sure.

But I hate doing big alterations, it takes longer than making from scratch half the time (and would have here - unpicking ivory silk, bleurgh!!!)

Yeah if you’re dumb enough to believe their side of the story. I’m sure Kates would be VERY different. They told 17 provable lies on the Oprah interview and Meghan had numerous HR complaints made against her and drove staff out, Kate has never had issues with staff. It’s pretty obvious who the problem is. Can’t get on with her own family, Harry’s family, the staff but it’s everyone else’s fault /s.

It looked a lot lighter outside, but the photos inside do show it as a definite yellow. Looking at the photo posted upthread, muted pale pastels were clearly planned. I very much doubt Meghan had no input and all the royal women just turned up like that

Except they did not tell ANY provable lie, and the only one people can come up with is the wedding ceremony which has been explained over and over and over again as a cultural difference regarding usage of common terms.

Dear me! I thought I was clear in saying that I was making a casual observation, not judgement. I couldn't care less about age gaps between either sex, even small or big as long as they're both happy with it. No one deserves praise or ridicule for it.

I just thought, hey what are the odds that both brothers married women who aren't younger (as is more common to see), and I casually compared it to their dad marrying their mum who's significantly younger. It was as if fate was reversing something there.

Again, just an amusing observation I wrote "out loud". Nothing to be defensive about and I'm clearly not having a go at Kate or Meghan for it, while "ignoring the men".

The dress worn at the wedding is a good example with how an idea builds and people run with it

You only have to look at the group photo and see there was intention to balance colours

Considering how abusive her own family is, and considering how this site supports people going NC with abusive and toxic family members, it's bizarre to use the fact she has an abusive family as something to use AGAINST her! I guess some people are so ever so desperate for something to use against her that even something not of her own fault that she cannot control is a 'negative'. grow up people!

She’s worn the same dress a couple of times , it’s definitely lemon in real life and was described as such by McQueen the fashion house that made it. Either way it’s a brave choice in the circumstances , the one I felt most for was Zara who was obviously very heavily pregnant and admitted she was very uncomfortable .

I do think the difference with Eugenies wedding was that it was a family wedding which happened to be royal. There are lovely pics of Zara and Mike and the Cambridges and Sophie Winkleman waving/smiling at their children as they came down the aisle behind the bride just like at any family ‘do’ . Versus Harry and Meghan’s which felt more of a royal event and more serious. But perhaps that was the difference in TV coverage.

The bridesmaids dresses fitted too 😉 although the sashes were an odd colour .

I don't think it's Meghan's fault, but I do think it's a shame that she doesn't have an emotionally healthy happy solid family behind them. I suspect that the whole situation could have been avoided with some cooler heads in the background

I do think Meghan has been, and still is very jealous of Kate. I am not sure why that is so contentious or difficult for you.

Why do people insist on this.
There is no way MM knows women like Beyonce/Oprah/Michelle O / Silver T (her producer friend ) etc. and feels jealous of Kate. Her own achievements, do not allow this. I'm a pleb, and even I'm not jealous of KM. ffs