Anyone else think Kate is coming across as a bit precious and over-sensitive? Baby brain, lip gloss etc.

[SallyWD]

I'll start by saying I know there are 2 sides to every story. Also, I'm not a Megan fan. I have no idea what she's like. She might be awful. I neither like her, nor dislike her. I feel the same way about Kate.

But anyway, in light of the stories that Harry is telling, does anyone else feel that Kate (and William) comes across as rather precious and over sensitive?

First of all there's the baby brain incident. Apparently Kate forgot something or made a mistake and Megan responded by saying "Oh don't worry, it's probably the baby brain". Kate then feels insulted by this remark and says something along the lines of "You don't me well enough to comment on my hormones". William joins in by pointing his finger at Megan and saying "It's rude Megan, we don't do that here." I mean seriously?? I think the baby brain remark was completely benign. I'm sure Megan was trying to reassure Kate not to worry about her mistake. Just after having my baby I paid for my shopping and walked out leaving it in the shop. The cashier had to call me back and I apologised. She also said "Don't worry, it's the baby brain". I wasn't at all offended. I was relieved she understood! I certainly didn't think "How dare a stranger comment on my hormones". The irony of William telling Megan off for rudeness whilst pointing his finger at her. I find it far more rude to point in someone's face than to mention baby brain. If I was Megan and had received that reaction to my innocent remark I would have felt humiliated and very upset.

Then there's the lipgloss incident. Megan asked to borrow Kate's lipgloss. Kate lends it to her then gets upset that she dabs it with her finger. I understand some people don't want to share lip gloss but Kate could have said no. I don't understand what's so upsetting about Megan using her finger? If I lent someone my lip gloss I'd insist they used their finger and not their mouth. Apparently the mouth harbours more germs than your average toilet.

Then there's the report that William and Kate were uncomfortable being hugged by Megan. There are literally hundreds of photos of William and Kate hugging random strangers on the internet! Yet when Megan makes this faux pas it's offensive to them.

It seemed like William and Kate expected to be treated with great formality by Megan - as if she was one of their subjects. It also seems that Megan couldn't do anything right! Megan on the other hand perhaps expected a little more intimacy given that they were her partner's family. It doesn't sound like they did much to make her feel comfortable and welcome in to the family. Does anyone agree/disagree?

Jack’s grandmother confirmed in an interview that they moved their wedding back:

"It will be down in Windsor and it will be in October. I do know that they’re now not going to get married in September. He [Brooksbank] said, 'We can’t get married in September now so we will have to get married in October. They [the Royal family] have got something else going on then I think so they couldn’t. So he [Jack] just said that if they can’t get married in September they will have to get married in October”.

Other sources said in this article that September was out because there was talk of foreign tours for Prince Harry and Meghan in 2018, and September was a date that had been mooted.

I agree context is important.
For me, one of the biggest parts of context here is that at the time it was said, Kate had very recently had a baby and Meghan wasn’t either pregnant or a mother.

A fellow mother making a joke about baby brain to me wound be fine, as they could have had baby brain too, or at least are joking about something that’s applicable to themselves.

But someone who ‘baby brain’ has never been applicable to putting my not remembering something down to it - that’s when we get into potentially condescending or dismissive territory.

It’s a known trope that men putting women’s moods down to PMS is enraging, whereas as women we can joke to each other about it. This baby brain situation is similar.

It has been pointed out repeatedly, despite Meghan trying to pretend to be some naive little starlet that did not know how the world worked, she was in fact a middle aged divorcee.

The whole wide eyed, 'I had no idea' does not compute when you consider how many years she has under her belt. It is false and fake and misleading.

It was unbelievably poorly made. This is 'French couture'?

It looked like the lining of the dress rather than the actual dress. And even then it was clearly too big. Charlotte should also have been wearing tights.

A comment like that would always be offensive, regardless of context. I would not accept a comment like that from my closest friend, it is very very rude

Then I can only imagine you must be a bit uptight. Let's say you were chatting to your best friend and forgot a particular word for something or momentarily lost something and your friend said in a kind voice...aww, don't worry, a bit of baby brain...you'd be offended?! Wow, you sound like hard work. Now I'm not saying that's what happened with Kate and Meghan. We don't know. But I wouldn't say it's always rude. Like I said, it very much depends of the situation and the tone of voice used.

being really tall and having a bit of broad shoulders (like Kate does), would get someone who is mixed race or black called 'a man' and all sorts of other masculine terms.

White women get called “manly” all the time, though. Detractors of (Australian) Crown Princess Mary of Denmark call her that all the time (until Meghan popped up Mary had probably the most vocal detractors of any royal - there are hate sites dedicated to her, too).

We don't put each other down or call each other names. If I was forgetting stuff we would laugh about it, and move on. I wouldn't expect someone to start talking about my 'baby brain' if there is even such a thing.

It is a very clear put down.

A rude thing to say even amongst good friends, you probably wouldn't want to hurt your friends feelings by using words and terms like that.

Do you mean that you highly doubt that the quoted texts were cherry picked? In a book full of anecdotes from one side only? How do you come to that conclusion?

What they have shown is Kate's entitlement. Bet she said worse to make MM cry and H decided to just stop there and not show the true extent of KM.

Or alternatively, H could have just not mentioned any of it.

Far as I can tell KM was pulling rank telling someone on their own wedding. It's not Kate's wedding. Plus, the person is there waiting to alter the dress, why should new dresses be made.

This is KM trying to put MM 'in her place' and pointedly saying, 'this is how things are done here'. KM sounds like a pita.

Oh I didn't know that. Thanks.

I also find it interesting that both of William and Harry happened to marry women who're older [even if slightly so] than them. It's just a casual observation, especially given the age gap between their father and mother.

One person wouldn't have been so remarkable but it's interesting to see that both did.

We don't put each other down or call each other names. If I was forgetting stuff we would laugh about it, and move on. I wouldn't expect someone to start talking about my 'baby brain' if there is even such a thing.

But I don't think using the term baby brain is necessarily putting someone down. It could be one woman trying to reassure another woman that a mistake they might have made or something that they forgot are totally understandable because they've just had a baby. I wouldn't blink if a friend or relative or supermarket cashier said that to me.

Lol 😂 as if we can believe a word those
two say. If she were that precious I don’t think she’d be handling the shit thrown at her and her family in such a dignified
way.

I agree, when she was told a seamstress was there to make alterations why did she not just say, great we'll be over at x time.

I don't think you can ever say to someone they have 'baby brain' and ever expect them to take it as reassuring camaraderie - especially if the woman doing the name calling hasn't even had children!!

The age differences are insignificantly small. You wouldn't even register them if the men were older.

And maybe you are a tough all boot who is happy for cashiers to be rude and call you names comedy, but many of us have some expectation around being treated respectfully and with kindness, especially immediately after a birth of a baby.

First, we do not know if what was said was actually true.
We do not have the context, the tone. Also some of the extracts are feelings ... 'Kate looked disgusted', etc. That is just an opinion. We do not know of she was or not.
Or 'her knuckles were white'. What does that mean? It is just an opinion.
However, I am willing to believe that the two women did not hit it off.

Because they were beyond saving.
She probably didn’t want to have around with her three year old for hours and hours while they tried to salvage something she knew was unsalvageable

Whats your opinion on how well the dress is made?

I agree. Less than a year in Kate's case and only 3 years in Meghan's. That's no difference at all. It's not like Meghan was 10 years older or something! If the genders were reversed, everyone would be praising the men for marrying women so close to their own age.

Kate and Meghan are not a great match. An overbearing, bare foot American hugger that is gushing with a slightly stiff, shy and reserved non hugger English woman.

Not exactly a match made in heaven.

Because she has her own life and it’s not at Meghan’s beck and call?

Kate is five months older than William. Not even half a year. I find it amusing that’s commented on here as an age gap.

Meghan is 3 years older than Harry. Still pretty insignificant as she gaps go.

Yes but from my observations, for white women, it's usually to do with "a hard face" or long face than height. I'm sure it isn't always though.

By the way, it doesn't make it right either.

The age differences are insignificantly small. You wouldn't even register them if the men were older.

I agree, I don't think the relative ages are that notable. Camilla is also over a year older than Charles.