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Anyone else think Kate is coming across as a bit precious and over-sensitive? Baby brain, lip gloss etc.

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SallyWD · 09/01/2023 12:09

I'll start by saying I know there are 2 sides to every story. Also, I'm not a Megan fan. I have no idea what she's like. She might be awful. I neither like her, nor dislike her. I feel the same way about Kate.

But anyway, in light of the stories that Harry is telling, does anyone else feel that Kate (and William) comes across as rather precious and over sensitive?

First of all there's the baby brain incident. Apparently Kate forgot something or made a mistake and Megan responded by saying "Oh don't worry, it's probably the baby brain". Kate then feels insulted by this remark and says something along the lines of "You don't me well enough to comment on my hormones". William joins in by pointing his finger at Megan and saying "It's rude Megan, we don't do that here." I mean seriously?? I think the baby brain remark was completely benign. I'm sure Megan was trying to reassure Kate not to worry about her mistake. Just after having my baby I paid for my shopping and walked out leaving it in the shop. The cashier had to call me back and I apologised. She also said "Don't worry, it's the baby brain". I wasn't at all offended. I was relieved she understood! I certainly didn't think "How dare a stranger comment on my hormones". The irony of William telling Megan off for rudeness whilst pointing his finger at her. I find it far more rude to point in someone's face than to mention baby brain. If I was Megan and had received that reaction to my innocent remark I would have felt humiliated and very upset.

Then there's the lipgloss incident. Megan asked to borrow Kate's lipgloss. Kate lends it to her then gets upset that she dabs it with her finger. I understand some people don't want to share lip gloss but Kate could have said no. I don't understand what's so upsetting about Megan using her finger? If I lent someone my lip gloss I'd insist they used their finger and not their mouth. Apparently the mouth harbours more germs than your average toilet.

Then there's the report that William and Kate were uncomfortable being hugged by Megan. There are literally hundreds of photos of William and Kate hugging random strangers on the internet! Yet when Megan makes this faux pas it's offensive to them.

It seemed like William and Kate expected to be treated with great formality by Megan - as if she was one of their subjects. It also seems that Megan couldn't do anything right! Megan on the other hand perhaps expected a little more intimacy given that they were her partner's family. It doesn't sound like they did much to make her feel comfortable and welcome in to the family. Does anyone agree/disagree?

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Toomuch2do · 10/01/2023 11:26

As an aside, I also find it ironic that Harry pulled rank and made Princess Eugenie move her wedding for him. But then complains when William takes precedence.

7Worfs · 10/01/2023 11:27

MoirasSaggyBundles · 10/01/2023 11:21

Sorry, I didn't mean to be snippy. I obviously missed the mark. My apologies to you both.

I just feel sorry for Camilla this morning. 50 years of supporting Charles and waiting in the wings, seeing the bloke you love marrying someone else, unhappily married herself, being vilified for years and years and years and being held up against a beautiful, troubled woman who will be forever young in peoples' memories, finally seemingly finding a place of public acceptance in her 70s. And now this shit show. She's obviously been the other woman and certainly no angel, but god, I get a sick feeling on her behalf seeing all the criticism of her.

Good point about Camilla. I just can’t see her scheming to seize the Crown.

She looks like she’d like to spend her time having a gin and a fag, occasionally tending to grandchildren, horses and dogs, perhaps some light gardening.

Maybe Harry is confusing Camilla with her portrayal in The Windsors. 🤔

BradfordGirl · 10/01/2023 11:27

Toomuch2do · 10/01/2023 11:26

As an aside, I also find it ironic that Harry pulled rank and made Princess Eugenie move her wedding for him. But then complains when William takes precedence.

Evidence please - I have never read this before.

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 10/01/2023 11:29

Swissmountains · 10/01/2023 11:26

Grin How ridiculous!
Have you had an early morning Gin

It is not remotely personal, it is my observation coupled with Harry saying the women were pitted against each other, he has been very open about the rivalry and competition between them. Lets face it, Meghan could not win this war.

Yes it is all very 19 bloody 50s! But hey what can you do....we are talking about the monarchy here. I for one don't see women as fellow 'competitors' so it is very odd that Harry should describe it that way.

Your gaslighting is interesting, considering your posts that spew venom at Meghan.

trucklebrunch · 10/01/2023 11:29

Wow...some vitriol on here!

I think Meghan was excited to get to know Kate, she probably hoped they could be besties. Kate is perfection, beautiful, poised and one of the most famous women in the world, a future queen - who wouldn't be keen to get close to her? Perhaps Meghan expected that just because Harry was crazy about her so would K & W be.

They obviously knew how damaged and vulnerable Harry was, how desperate he was to settle down and I'm sure they'd never seen him quite so bowled over and in love and perhaps were a little alarmed. Being wary of strangers and taking things slow must be oar for the course - and Meghan is quite annoying (let's honest!) she's very gushy and doesn't come across as genuine (I'm thinking of her podcasts - always turning conversation back to herself). Maybe she just rubbed them up the wrong way.

Meghan must've been quite taken aback by Kate's coolness towards her, read it as jealousy and judgement and took an instant dislike to her. I think they got off on the wrong foot.

Over time their relationship may have rectified itself, especially raising kids together. But the pressure from the media wouldn't have helped and always being compared to each other, Harry & Meghan left so soon.

Morestrangethings · 10/01/2023 11:29

MoirasSaggyBundles · 10/01/2023 10:40

I remember this from the documentary series. Meghan told the story about jeans/barefoot/ I hugging (or expectation of a hug). She wasn’t insulted. She was pointing out that she realised then, that formality in public spilled over to formality in private. That’s it. No scandal. No criticism. An observation.

But this inevitably draws a comparison, doesn't it? Meghan is inferred to be warm, open, friendly, loveable and modern - the breath of fresh air the RF needed. Kate an old fashioned, cold fish - the epitome of the RF's being of touch. None of what is being said by H&M is shooting blanks. It's all live ammo. Everything will be analysed, extrapolated, interpreted, projected. What is not clear is whether H&M realise their words have these consequences - or whether they care who they are hurting, either deliberately or inadvertently .

I just thought it was part of Meghan’s realisation of the difference in culture. But I can see your point.

i don’t think anyone realised how everything they said and did would be so parsed over.

But I also don’t think the RF realised just how fucked their hereditary system appears to the rest of us. Or maybe I’m naive in this. I don’t know, but they seem to be content to do this damage to generation after generation so the pay off must be worth it.

7Worfs · 10/01/2023 11:31

Toomuch2do · 10/01/2023 11:26

As an aside, I also find it ironic that Harry pulled rank and made Princess Eugenie move her wedding for him. But then complains when William takes precedence.

Oh yes, I’d forgotten about that!
What cheek.

BradfordGirl · 10/01/2023 11:31

"While Princess Eugenie and Jack's wedding was originally planned for September, the couple's big day has been requested to be moved back to October due to the possibility of Prince Harry and Meghan being on royal tour during September."

www.smoothradio.com/news/princess-eugenie-wedding-postponed-harry-meghan/

Harry and Meghan got married in May. There is no reason to move a wedding planned in September because of that.

cyclamenqueen · 10/01/2023 11:31

Toomuch2do · 10/01/2023 11:24

I was thinking about the timing of M&H’s wedding. It must have been a hard time for Kate.

She had just given birth and both her older children were part of the wedding party. She obviously not only had to sort out Charlotte’s dress but also take George to separate fittings too - his outfit was quite elaborate. Then she would also have had to take them to rehearsals. All the time juggling a new born.

I had just assumed they had a nanny who would have taken the DC to fittings but she’s clearly more hands on.

And on top of that she wore a lemon coat dress at 3 weeks post partum . Brave woman , I would have been in black/maroon after my third , horrific !

SighsTheNewWord · 10/01/2023 11:31

Why is a woman "middle aged" a negative? Besides Kate is either older than Meghan or the same age, so I fail to see how this is a win or fail for either.

BradfordGirl · 10/01/2023 11:33

Kate and Charlotte at Harry and Meghan's wedding.

Anyone else think Kate is coming across as a bit precious and over-sensitive? Baby brain, lip gloss etc.
Swissmountains · 10/01/2023 11:33

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 10/01/2023 11:29

Your gaslighting is interesting, considering your posts that spew venom at Meghan.

I think it is better if I ignore you. I have no idea what you are talking about.

Comedycook · 10/01/2023 11:33

It's impossible to work out of the baby brain comment is offensive or not without actually hearing it in context or hearing the tone in which it was said.

SingingWithSeals · 10/01/2023 11:34

Thanks @MoirasSaggyBundles

I see where you’re coming from re Camilla. I feel a bit sorry for her too.

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 10/01/2023 11:34

Swissmountains · 10/01/2023 11:33

I think it is better if I ignore you. I have no idea what you are talking about.

Of course you don't....

Serenster · 10/01/2023 11:36

The terrible sleeves and terrible hem on Charlotte’s dress are obvious even in that photo!

WeWereInParis · 10/01/2023 11:36

BradfordGirl · 10/01/2023 11:31

"While Princess Eugenie and Jack's wedding was originally planned for September, the couple's big day has been requested to be moved back to October due to the possibility of Prince Harry and Meghan being on royal tour during September."

www.smoothradio.com/news/princess-eugenie-wedding-postponed-harry-meghan/

Harry and Meghan got married in May. There is no reason to move a wedding planned in September because of that.

I believe the date of Harry and Meghan's wedding was announced before Eugenie's engagement was. They didn't get engaged until the January, so definitely weren't going to be getting married around the same time as H&M.

There was some speculation that due to H&M's potential royal tour, Eugenie's wedding might have to be moved. But to me that sounds like normal planning around royal diaries that presumably happens for every royal wedding.

Swissmountains · 10/01/2023 11:36

trucklebrunch · 10/01/2023 11:29

Wow...some vitriol on here!

I think Meghan was excited to get to know Kate, she probably hoped they could be besties. Kate is perfection, beautiful, poised and one of the most famous women in the world, a future queen - who wouldn't be keen to get close to her? Perhaps Meghan expected that just because Harry was crazy about her so would K & W be.

They obviously knew how damaged and vulnerable Harry was, how desperate he was to settle down and I'm sure they'd never seen him quite so bowled over and in love and perhaps were a little alarmed. Being wary of strangers and taking things slow must be oar for the course - and Meghan is quite annoying (let's honest!) she's very gushy and doesn't come across as genuine (I'm thinking of her podcasts - always turning conversation back to herself). Maybe she just rubbed them up the wrong way.

Meghan must've been quite taken aback by Kate's coolness towards her, read it as jealousy and judgement and took an instant dislike to her. I think they got off on the wrong foot.

Over time their relationship may have rectified itself, especially raising kids together. But the pressure from the media wouldn't have helped and always being compared to each other, Harry & Meghan left so soon.

All royal members are careful and cool, do you have any idea how many vultures they have to contend with. Meghan should have been more respectful and Harry should have done a better job at preparing her.

I guess it boils down to Harry sharing with Meghan that William had concerns, after that it was downhill from there. Maybe a better strategy would have been to win over trust and friendship by being honest and authentic - and letting the relationship grow in time. It appears Meghan expected to be instantly accepted, no questions asked and that never happens.

SighsTheNewWord · 10/01/2023 11:37

I have noticed that Kate's height seems to be a positive to Kate's staunch fans but usually, being really tall and having a bit of broad shoulders (like Kate does), would get someone who is mixed race or black called 'a man' and all sorts of other masculine terms.

I thought being 'nice and small' was the way to go or has it changed because it's our Kate?

I'd wager that the same height would've been seen as a negative had it been Meghan, not Kate. Then the statement "She's oh so nice and petite, isn't she? Not Meghan, the giantess!" would be the in-thing.

For what it's worth, I think they're both beautiful.

notanotheroneagain · 10/01/2023 11:38

Serenster · 10/01/2023 08:22

And I think we can be completely certain that these are cherry-picked to be the absolute worst they can show of Kate and the absolute best they can show of Meghan.

I highly doubt that .

What they have shown is Kate's entitlement. Bet she said worse to make MM cry and H decided to just stop there and not show the true extent of KM.

Swissmountains · 10/01/2023 11:39

Comedycook · 10/01/2023 11:33

It's impossible to work out of the baby brain comment is offensive or not without actually hearing it in context or hearing the tone in which it was said.

A comment like that would always be offensive, regardless of context. I would not accept a comment like that from my closest friend, it is very very rude.

WeWereInParis · 10/01/2023 11:39

SighsTheNewWord · 10/01/2023 11:31

Why is a woman "middle aged" a negative? Besides Kate is either older than Meghan or the same age, so I fail to see how this is a win or fail for either.

Kate is a few months younger than Meghan. But I agree, any comments about Meghan's age as a criticism are bizarre.

Swissmountains · 10/01/2023 11:40

SighsTheNewWord · 10/01/2023 11:31

Why is a woman "middle aged" a negative? Besides Kate is either older than Meghan or the same age, so I fail to see how this is a win or fail for either.

It matters if you wish to have children.

IcedPurple · 10/01/2023 11:40

Comedycook · 10/01/2023 11:33

It's impossible to work out of the baby brain comment is offensive or not without actually hearing it in context or hearing the tone in which it was said.

Very few, if any, comments are objectively 'offensive'. Two people might react to the exact same comment in entirely different ways.

Surely if the recipient of the comment deemed it offensive that's all that matters?

Morestrangethings · 10/01/2023 11:40

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