Anyone else think Kate is coming across as a bit precious and over-sensitive? Baby brain, lip gloss etc.

[SallyWD]

I'll start by saying I know there are 2 sides to every story. Also, I'm not a Megan fan. I have no idea what she's like. She might be awful. I neither like her, nor dislike her. I feel the same way about Kate.

But anyway, in light of the stories that Harry is telling, does anyone else feel that Kate (and William) comes across as rather precious and over sensitive?

First of all there's the baby brain incident. Apparently Kate forgot something or made a mistake and Megan responded by saying "Oh don't worry, it's probably the baby brain". Kate then feels insulted by this remark and says something along the lines of "You don't me well enough to comment on my hormones". William joins in by pointing his finger at Megan and saying "It's rude Megan, we don't do that here." I mean seriously?? I think the baby brain remark was completely benign. I'm sure Megan was trying to reassure Kate not to worry about her mistake. Just after having my baby I paid for my shopping and walked out leaving it in the shop. The cashier had to call me back and I apologised. She also said "Don't worry, it's the baby brain". I wasn't at all offended. I was relieved she understood! I certainly didn't think "How dare a stranger comment on my hormones". The irony of William telling Megan off for rudeness whilst pointing his finger at her. I find it far more rude to point in someone's face than to mention baby brain. If I was Megan and had received that reaction to my innocent remark I would have felt humiliated and very upset.

Then there's the lipgloss incident. Megan asked to borrow Kate's lipgloss. Kate lends it to her then gets upset that she dabs it with her finger. I understand some people don't want to share lip gloss but Kate could have said no. I don't understand what's so upsetting about Megan using her finger? If I lent someone my lip gloss I'd insist they used their finger and not their mouth. Apparently the mouth harbours more germs than your average toilet.

Then there's the report that William and Kate were uncomfortable being hugged by Megan. There are literally hundreds of photos of William and Kate hugging random strangers on the internet! Yet when Megan makes this faux pas it's offensive to them.

It seemed like William and Kate expected to be treated with great formality by Megan - as if she was one of their subjects. It also seems that Megan couldn't do anything right! Megan on the other hand perhaps expected a little more intimacy given that they were her partner's family. It doesn't sound like they did much to make her feel comfortable and welcome in to the family. Does anyone agree/disagree?

If any of the women’s clothes “stands out” for colour reasons in that photo it’s Camilla’s for me. Doris’s green, Kate’s lemon and the Queen’s green/yellow co-ordinate nicely.

I think Camilla looks wonderful and I love that shade on her, but for full Insta-co-ordination I’d have had her in a green or yellow hue

It is a really pretty photo - I prefer Kate's dress (I love nipped waists and bigger skirts so it's much more my style) but Meghan and Harry's wedding photos are much nicer overall

She was pointing out that she realised then, that formality in public spilled over to formality in private. That’s it. No scandal. No criticism.

No criticism or scandal? Going on an Oprah interview to talk about it?

Meghan's whole raison d'être is to create scandal and critique.

Sorry my phone autocorrected Doria to Doris!

I don’t know about you, but I would always provide a warm welcome to someone who was dating a family member. It is called having class and good manners. I do not choose who to be polite to based on whether or not they are going to be on the scene for long . Furthermore, Harry said he made it obvious from the beginning that he was interested in pursuing a serious relationship with Meghan .

I remember this from the documentary series. Meghan told the story about jeans/barefoot/ I hugging (or expectation of a hug). She wasn’t insulted. She was pointing out that she realised then, that formality in public spilled over to formality in private. That’s it. No scandal. No criticism. An observation.

But this inevitably draws a comparison, doesn't it? Meghan is inferred to be warm, open, friendly, loveable and modern - the breath of fresh air the RF needed. Kate an old fashioned, cold fish - the epitome of the RF's being of touch. None of what is being said by H&M is shooting blanks. It's all live ammo. Everything will be analysed, extrapolated, interpreted, projected. What is not clear is whether H&M realise their words have these consequences - or whether they care who they are hurting, either deliberately or inadvertently .

No, I wouldn't be warm to an obvious fake and gold digger, no.
I would follow my instincts and protect my family.

I would be civil and it would end there.

As it turns out, William and Kate were right to be dubious and cautious - look what has happened since!!

@StatisticallyChallenged i like both their wedding dresses. I thought Meghan's was very chic. Kate's was more 'princessey'.

Meghan's going away dress was jaw dropping though. Drop dead gorgeous. I wish she had been brave enough to have had it as her wedding dress. It would have been quite a fashion moment.

Harry said he made it obvious from the beginning that he was interested in pursuing a serious relationship with Meghan.

As William allegedly told him at the time though “She’s the third girlfriend you’ve taken to Botswana, Harry”.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. William and Kate had obviously met Harry’s girlfriend’s before (Harry had met William’s girlfriend’s before too). I am fairly sure at the time no-one would have predicted with any certainty that this first meeting with a new girlfriend would actually be Harry’s future wife.

Yes, actually!

I wonder why the pale pink?
It doesn't actually jarr (jare? jar?) in the photo, but a pale lime or something would have been totally perfect.

Gold digger. Typical misogyny. FFS Meghan had more money than Harry even!

I don't really like being hugged by someone I don't know, but when I meet them, I give them a wide smile and shake hands if they are going in for the shake.

When I lived in France, I'd happily do the cheek kiss, as is customary - it actually feels far less familiar than a big hug to me, because you're not pressed against someone and because it is a very standard greeting that doesn't feel intimate.

I think it's a cultural thing as to how much contact you like, but I do resent the idea that you have to be a hugger to be a warm person. Or that to be warm and welcoming to someone you have to treat them exactly the same way as you'd treat someone you'd been friends with for many years. I absolutely don't think that is the case.

I don’t know about you, but I would always provide a warm welcome to someone who was dating a family member. It is called having class and good manners. I do not choose who to be polite to based on whether or not they are going to be on the scene for long . Furthermore, Harry said he made it obvious from the beginning that he was interested in pursuing a serious relationship with Meghan.

And I would say, as the incomer, it is class and good manners to read the room and not seek to force your over familiar sensibilities on people you don't know very well, or make a big deal of it 6 years later for money. Harry has had a number of serious relationships, apparently had proposed to 2 other women he dated - I can understand why his brother and SIL might be cautious.

As William allegedly told him at the time though “She’s the third girlfriend you’ve taken to Botswana, Harry”.

Are the sleeves totally different to one another? It looks like they are in both this picture and another with Charlotte wearing it. They also look totally different to the other children’s dresses.

I was guessing before seeing the dress that this was one reason Kate’s seamstress said it needed to be remade. You can’t just alter sleeves that are set wrong and make them fit.

This is not true.

FFS Meghan had more money than Harry even!

Lol.

Harry obviously loves Botswana.

It doesn’t matter whether this was going to be Harry’s future wife or not, she should have been warmly welcomed by the Cambridges.

Their behaviour towards Meghan probably set the tone for the whole relationship and has probably contributed towards all the negativity

Not everyone has a complexion that can handle green/yellow shades. Camilla looks just fine and does not look out of place IMO in pale pink. It's a family wedding, not an influencer's fashion shoot.

Erm, that is not factually true, not remotely even close
Meghan is an ageing middle aged 'd' list actress, not some power house talent with multi millionaire! Of course they were careful, they have seen many come and go.....

Nasty post

You can certainly offer someone a very warm welcome without bare foot hugging!

What part is untrue?

If we are taking about equal status between RF and Hollywood royalty, an equal match would be e.g. Jennifer Lawrence or Scarlett Johansson.
Not Meghan Markle.

It appears Will & Kate were right to be wary of Meghan, and Will's instincts about them rushing and suggesting Harry slow things down to get to know her better was also good advice.

He won't be the first person to ignore his family's advice when madly in love.