Anyone else think Kate is coming across as a bit precious and over-sensitive? Baby brain, lip gloss etc.

[SallyWD]

I'll start by saying I know there are 2 sides to every story. Also, I'm not a Megan fan. I have no idea what she's like. She might be awful. I neither like her, nor dislike her. I feel the same way about Kate.

But anyway, in light of the stories that Harry is telling, does anyone else feel that Kate (and William) comes across as rather precious and over sensitive?

First of all there's the baby brain incident. Apparently Kate forgot something or made a mistake and Megan responded by saying "Oh don't worry, it's probably the baby brain". Kate then feels insulted by this remark and says something along the lines of "You don't me well enough to comment on my hormones". William joins in by pointing his finger at Megan and saying "It's rude Megan, we don't do that here." I mean seriously?? I think the baby brain remark was completely benign. I'm sure Megan was trying to reassure Kate not to worry about her mistake. Just after having my baby I paid for my shopping and walked out leaving it in the shop. The cashier had to call me back and I apologised. She also said "Don't worry, it's the baby brain". I wasn't at all offended. I was relieved she understood! I certainly didn't think "How dare a stranger comment on my hormones". The irony of William telling Megan off for rudeness whilst pointing his finger at her. I find it far more rude to point in someone's face than to mention baby brain. If I was Megan and had received that reaction to my innocent remark I would have felt humiliated and very upset.

Then there's the lipgloss incident. Megan asked to borrow Kate's lipgloss. Kate lends it to her then gets upset that she dabs it with her finger. I understand some people don't want to share lip gloss but Kate could have said no. I don't understand what's so upsetting about Megan using her finger? If I lent someone my lip gloss I'd insist they used their finger and not their mouth. Apparently the mouth harbours more germs than your average toilet.

Then there's the report that William and Kate were uncomfortable being hugged by Megan. There are literally hundreds of photos of William and Kate hugging random strangers on the internet! Yet when Megan makes this faux pas it's offensive to them.

It seemed like William and Kate expected to be treated with great formality by Megan - as if she was one of their subjects. It also seems that Megan couldn't do anything right! Megan on the other hand perhaps expected a little more intimacy given that they were her partner's family. It doesn't sound like they did much to make her feel comfortable and welcome in to the family. Does anyone agree/disagree?

I have seen worse written about MM tbf.

Bonkers

How on earth does anyone get "bully" from this, a bit awkward maybe but bullying?

Hell even Harry's telling of it apparently includes "He insisted to Markle that “Kate hadn’t meant any harm” during the back-and-forth and noted that the Princess of Wales arrived at the home the following morning with flowers and a card to apologize for any upset."

Agree, there's a lot of crazy stuff said about both.

K&W (call me Wills) have made a massive thing about being informal. They hug strangers. They laugh and joke in front of the camera. They dress in jeans and sportswear. But for some reason, upon meeting their to be SIL they were uptight and cold. Expecting private curtseys.

Yep, this. People go on about Harry being a hypocrite yet Kate and William's casual man-of-the-people approach seems to stop when when the public's gaze and cameras are turned off. Their approach to the public clearly isn't reality in private.

That's really silly, Catherine wore a lemon coat dress. Smart, nondescript. Nothing upstaging about it.

If you're going to go to that extent about weddings apparently the Queen wasn't happy about Meghan wearing white at the 'spectacle' as she was divorced.

The cognitive dissonance is shocking
Much has been made about them being relatable and approachable. They have been hugging old ladies and babies yet we are told that Meghan was too over friendly’ too American’ and that she shouldn’t expect members of the British Royal Family to behave in such a manner.

Their approach to the public clearly isn't reality in private.

Well that's a statement of the bleedin' obvious! Every single famous person will be different behind closed doors, as are a huge number (I'd say vast majority) of non-famous people.

If people have accused Harry of hypocrisy for being different in public and private, I haven't seen it. And it would be ridiculous if they did, because that's normal human nature. The ones I've seen were calling him a hypocrite for moaning about being "second best" when the same system puts him way ahead of the vast majority of the country. Complaining about a system whilst still benefitting from that system is hypocritical.

That's really silly, Catherine wore a lemon coat dress. Smart, nondescript. Nothing upstaging about it.

Her lemon coat dress was also perfectly placed in the colour scheme Meghan had selected for her wedding, as the family photo shows. I very much doubt it was a coincidence that Kate, Camilla and Doria were all in different very pale pastel shades, with just the Queen in brighter shades (and all the men/boys bat Charles in black).

Greeting the public on visits and walkarounds isn't remotely the same situation as meeting your brother in law's new girlfriend.

I remember meeting DH's family for the first time. They're a lot grander than me - I remember going to meet one of his aunt's and buying a new outfit because nothing I had felt "right" for meeting what turned out to be a very lovely but quite posh older lady.

I think if I'd been invited to meet my BIL's new girlfriend for the first time and she bounded up in bare feet and went in for a hug I'd be a bit taken aback too. The first meeting with someone you're expected to form a relatiohsip with isn't the same as working. And we haven't (I don't think) been told what Kate supposedly did in response that was so awful, just that she was a bit formal.

How do you know they expected curtesys ?

The old ladies and babies don’t behave in an ingratiating, over-familiar way, expecting something personal from the RF.

Traditionally people shake hands upon introduction and start with some light chat about the weather or a recent holiday/event.

This isn’t L.A.

This is an insta-esque co-ordinated wedding photo. I'd be very surprised if those colours hadn't been pre agreed.

You’re right. And it is a striking, successful photograph in part to the colours

They obviously all got the memo and if someone had gone against it the image wouldn’t look so good

You do realise there's a massive difference between providing a brief bit of never to be repeated personal contact to members of the public you are unlikely to ever see again, as part and parcel of you role as an ambassador for the RF; and an ongoing personal relationship with someone coming into your family as a girlfriend, who may or may not stick around, who may or may not make your beloved brother happy long term, who may or may not play a significant role in your family firm going forward and who may or may not become someone you grow to love. Is it not possible for people to see that being open in one very contained situation and being reserved and waiting and seeing how things play out in the other is perfectly normal and probably quite sensible?

I know...it's completely warped and twisted. There's no sense of proportion or balance, just total vitriol and condemnation based on hearsay! I think this applied to both sides to be honest though. The people who mud sling at M&H too. But tbf - I do think M&H have invited it. W& K have not.

It was at a meeting of the 4 of them to sort out their differences. Of course he was there!

And also, the howls that “she did it to draw attention” are more than a little ridiculous given that this was a globally televised and covered event. The three women who were going to be most shown and photographed out of the whole congregation, no matter what they were wearing, were always going to be Meghan, the Queen and Kate.

I think everyone knew which one the bride was, not matter what Kate wore. The one in the long white dress, with a priceless diamond tiara on her head and a long veil, being walked down the aisle by the Prince of wales, in case you need help. Or were you confused because there were also small girls in white dresses with her, and you couldn’t tell which was which?🤣

This is what I find fascinating about this thread and threads such as these.
On one hand the Sussexes detractors say that Meghan is a cold hearted manipulative bitch who was rude and nasty to Kate. The self same posters then accuse Meghan of being over friendly, having no boundaries and being too familiar.
Which is it?

I can see you’ve never encountered narcissists before 🤔

I don’t say things like that Lampzade, but as someone who has a fair bit of life experience, I will point out that there are many ways of being manipulative. “Love bombing” is well recognised as one tactic.

I remember this from the documentary series. Meghan told the story about jeans/barefoot/ I hugging (or expectation of a hug). She wasn’t insulted. She was pointing out that she realised then, that formality in public spilled over to formality in private. That’s it. No scandal. No criticism. An observation.

Not looked at that photo properly before - I think the colours for that wedding were lovely and really clever actually.

The Queen and Doria are in the slightly stronger colours as the most imprtant guests (queen the slightly deeper one obvs, but not majorly so) and then Kate and Camilla in the very light pastels.

Really pretty and clever use of colour.

(sorry - back to the bun fight now 😜)

I don't think it's either, really. I probably wouldn't have gone so informal for my first meeting, but I wouldn't for anyone I was hoping for a relationship with. BUt that's me.

But I don't think any of the stories that Harry presents show either of them (M &K, for clarity) as doing anything ground shakingly wrong. They are just two very different people, different background, different cultures, different styles, and I don't think they were ever going to gel beyond cordial relations.

I think H&M have tried to make it look as bad as possible because it fits the narrative, and maybe because as part of the whole situation it seems worse than it is. But if someone told you that their sister in law was horrible because she didn't hug when you first met, made a face over lip gloss, said that a badly fitting dress should be remade and got upset when you told her she had baby brain wouldn't you kind of roll your eyes internally and think "yeah, you just don't get on"?

I hadn’t seen it before but it’s really beautiful

Tonally the light dresses and contrast with the black and bridesmaids is really well done

Whoever put it together should be happy. The pp who suggested KM wear purple or whatever would’ve tanked the shot.