Anyone else think Kate is coming across as a bit precious and over-sensitive? Baby brain, lip gloss etc.

[SallyWD]

I'll start by saying I know there are 2 sides to every story. Also, I'm not a Megan fan. I have no idea what she's like. She might be awful. I neither like her, nor dislike her. I feel the same way about Kate.

But anyway, in light of the stories that Harry is telling, does anyone else feel that Kate (and William) comes across as rather precious and over sensitive?

First of all there's the baby brain incident. Apparently Kate forgot something or made a mistake and Megan responded by saying "Oh don't worry, it's probably the baby brain". Kate then feels insulted by this remark and says something along the lines of "You don't me well enough to comment on my hormones". William joins in by pointing his finger at Megan and saying "It's rude Megan, we don't do that here." I mean seriously?? I think the baby brain remark was completely benign. I'm sure Megan was trying to reassure Kate not to worry about her mistake. Just after having my baby I paid for my shopping and walked out leaving it in the shop. The cashier had to call me back and I apologised. She also said "Don't worry, it's the baby brain". I wasn't at all offended. I was relieved she understood! I certainly didn't think "How dare a stranger comment on my hormones". The irony of William telling Megan off for rudeness whilst pointing his finger at her. I find it far more rude to point in someone's face than to mention baby brain. If I was Megan and had received that reaction to my innocent remark I would have felt humiliated and very upset.

Then there's the lipgloss incident. Megan asked to borrow Kate's lipgloss. Kate lends it to her then gets upset that she dabs it with her finger. I understand some people don't want to share lip gloss but Kate could have said no. I don't understand what's so upsetting about Megan using her finger? If I lent someone my lip gloss I'd insist they used their finger and not their mouth. Apparently the mouth harbours more germs than your average toilet.

Then there's the report that William and Kate were uncomfortable being hugged by Megan. There are literally hundreds of photos of William and Kate hugging random strangers on the internet! Yet when Megan makes this faux pas it's offensive to them.

It seemed like William and Kate expected to be treated with great formality by Megan - as if she was one of their subjects. It also seems that Megan couldn't do anything right! Megan on the other hand perhaps expected a little more intimacy given that they were her partner's family. It doesn't sound like they did much to make her feel comfortable and welcome in to the family. Does anyone agree/disagree?

@IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 were you there?

I agree. Nor are they news

Telling someone they are upset because of baby brain/hormones is gaslighting. It’s effectively saying that if you are upset by me that’s not because I have been at fault it’s because you are irrational. It’s victim blaming .

I have said before that all these things are so bloody trivial and pointless that it just underscores Harry really had nothing (or little) to moan about and it just seems like he is over egging everything - either out of a paranoid sense of grievance that no-one could 'fix' because he sees fault and blame in everything or because his publishers said to him 'Shit, there's nothing of substance here. tell us something else we have 412 pages to fill'.

I probabaly should have had a full stop or two in there.

Uh-huh. Kate - apology and flowers, Harry and Meghan - 5 years of resentment and stewing.

Honestly st the time of those texts Catherine had a less than 3 week old baby. I’m not surprised she was short, not because she was ‘hormonal’ although she probably was but because she was shattered. I know she has lots of help blah blah but she’s still post partum.

I hated wearing shoes without socks as a child and I thought at the time that they looked uncomfortable and clumpy

Can't believe the bitchiness here over Meghan's wedding dress and bridesmaids dresses really nasty.

Is it ‘really nasty’ to point out the hemline was poor?
Behave

It's not bitchines to notice that a "french couture" dress shouldn't fit like this. It's not like Meghan ran them up herself - if as stated they only arrived 4 days before then Givenchy seem to have left insufficient time to alter.

Totally agree with this, I would struggle to spend five minutes in Harry's company. How any self proclaimed feminist could marry him is beyond me.

No it really isn't. Gaslighting gets thrown around all the time on mn without being in the proper context.

I think it’s worth remembering that at the point K&W met Meghan she still had a hugely successful blog and Instagram presence. They were people who had to guard their private life and that of their children very carefully, not just because it was their only chance of privacy but also for security reasons. They also knew Harry, they probably knew he was besotted and likely to be loose lipped. They didn’t know if Meghan was similarly besotted or even if she was going to be around very long . To Harry they were meeting the love of his life. To them she was just another girlfriend and one who carried a certain amount of risk.

We have heard Meghan and Harry spill their gut and Kate and William keeping their tried and tested silence.

Harry is violating his closet family's privacy in the grossest of ways on a global public podium. This is someone who hates and is afraid of the press yet he has personally and intentionally invited press intrusion into his own (his choice) and his closest family's lives, including his 8 year old niece who is facing similar challenges as harry due to being the spare. For someone who preaches kindness, he is not very kind.

The things he and Meghan are accusing Kate of, are fantastically petty and the tone all this takes is so sexist. By choosing to 'reveal' that Kate and Meghan had disagreements about lipgloss and bridesmaid dresses he is being ridiculously reductive, it's like a vacuous episode of Emily in Paris 😑. This is his memoir of his life as spare and it's laughable he should focus on such vacuous nonsense.

What Kate said in the message was not rude, it was short in tone and showed she disagreed with the dress and how fix it. Meghan must have been stressed and should have delegated. Her message comes across as terse and a bit hectoring.

None of this is newsworthy. Harry says he wants their 'truth' out there to override the 25 (magic number?) other versions in the press, in the interview he says this is "necessary, they were essential, [Mm] um, for historical fact and significance."

It's sad and deluded to think tat grievances of lipgloss not being shared with an enthusiastic smile and a shortish SMS are of historical significance when the country is dealing with COL criss and the fallout out of a pandemic. Harry and Meghan airing their dirty linen in public is just too much.

It's clear he has cut his ties and they now have no family left to be close to. Also, Megan's former best friend Jessica who helped her with her wedding is no longer her BFF. Odd, how she can't seem to maintain any close relationships. It's defiantly a particular personality type, who easily takes offence but is harsh to others when she doesn't get her own way. She sounds a bit unstable based on all this.

Hopefully the Sussexes can make a lovely and happy life in California for their kids' sake. But they do come across as a very difficult couple.

Yes @cyclamenqueen - she was his latest girlfriend and from a publicity-hungry background by necessity, given her job. I think it would have made sense to assume it might not last and that anything they did or said could then leak into the public domain - which is actually what has happened. I wonder if Harry had form for thinking each girlfriend was The One. I’ve met new girlfriends of friends and not realised they were in it for the long haul too. Again it all seems so petty on H and M’s part. They have no sense of humour about themselves at all.

I agree. And also, if I was in her position, I'd probably have been quite stressed about having to leave my three week old newborn to go to the wedding (and she did have to, she couldn't have not gone. I know he'll have been in Windsor and with a very trusted nanny etc etc, but it's not something I'd have wanted to do. Three weeks is still so tiny.

And on the other side, Meghan had the whole thing with her father playing out very publicly, and was days away from getting married in a ceremony that would be watched round the world.

I can't blame either of them for a couple of terse text messages.

It was a specific rule only for Meghan.
That is why Knauf went to court with half the emails/txt. What he didn't count on was that MM had been advised by her friends to keep receipts.

Also, since they never brief or complain nor explain. How did the fail get these emails.

Bet there is more after that 'fine' from Kate. Probably something hurtful.

They are from Harry’s book….!

And I think we can be completely certain that these are cherry-picked to be the absolute worst they can show of Kate and the absolute best they can show of Meghan.

I think these are the text messages as described in Spare. I don't think (happy to be corrected) that anyone has released the actual messages to anyone. This is Harry's telling of it

100% this.
I can’t believe some defend it.

Here you go. In her court case against ANL Meghan was ordered to disclose her communications with Jason Knauf. In her sworn statement she explained:

"I was unable to retrieve any text messages with Mr Knauf, because an automatic deletion system had been implemented on my phone by a cyber security specialist brought to Kensington Palace for my devices in 2016. Mr Knauf was aware of this meeting”

So yes, it’s very interesting that Harry is referring to her text messages from 2018 now.

Was she lying to the court (again)? Did she deliberately ensure she screenshotted these texts at the time because she always intended to use them? Or has she reconstructed them from memory, in which case, 5 years later, they won’t be accurate?

And failed spectacularly 🤭
Kate comes across as a normal person, Wills made to look even better than I expected of him.
Charles and Camilla I just feel sad for, who needs this shit in their 70s?

When I got married my youngest bridesmaid was living 600 miles away. My friend made the dresses. I asked my SIL for accurate measurements, my friend used the appropriate part of the pattern. No problem at all. And if those overseas needed making, is it so hard for a woman who has lived in Canada and must have contacts, plus a dressmaker/designer who must have contacts to find someone in that country? Last I heard, the Canadians were actually able to use a sewing machine...