Anyone else think Kate is coming across as a bit precious and over-sensitive? Baby brain, lip gloss etc.

[SallyWD]

I'll start by saying I know there are 2 sides to every story. Also, I'm not a Megan fan. I have no idea what she's like. She might be awful. I neither like her, nor dislike her. I feel the same way about Kate.

But anyway, in light of the stories that Harry is telling, does anyone else feel that Kate (and William) comes across as rather precious and over sensitive?

First of all there's the baby brain incident. Apparently Kate forgot something or made a mistake and Megan responded by saying "Oh don't worry, it's probably the baby brain". Kate then feels insulted by this remark and says something along the lines of "You don't me well enough to comment on my hormones". William joins in by pointing his finger at Megan and saying "It's rude Megan, we don't do that here." I mean seriously?? I think the baby brain remark was completely benign. I'm sure Megan was trying to reassure Kate not to worry about her mistake. Just after having my baby I paid for my shopping and walked out leaving it in the shop. The cashier had to call me back and I apologised. She also said "Don't worry, it's the baby brain". I wasn't at all offended. I was relieved she understood! I certainly didn't think "How dare a stranger comment on my hormones". The irony of William telling Megan off for rudeness whilst pointing his finger at her. I find it far more rude to point in someone's face than to mention baby brain. If I was Megan and had received that reaction to my innocent remark I would have felt humiliated and very upset.

Then there's the lipgloss incident. Megan asked to borrow Kate's lipgloss. Kate lends it to her then gets upset that she dabs it with her finger. I understand some people don't want to share lip gloss but Kate could have said no. I don't understand what's so upsetting about Megan using her finger? If I lent someone my lip gloss I'd insist they used their finger and not their mouth. Apparently the mouth harbours more germs than your average toilet.

Then there's the report that William and Kate were uncomfortable being hugged by Megan. There are literally hundreds of photos of William and Kate hugging random strangers on the internet! Yet when Megan makes this faux pas it's offensive to them.

It seemed like William and Kate expected to be treated with great formality by Megan - as if she was one of their subjects. It also seems that Megan couldn't do anything right! Megan on the other hand perhaps expected a little more intimacy given that they were her partner's family. It doesn't sound like they did much to make her feel comfortable and welcome in to the family. Does anyone agree/disagree?

It's all so pathetically petty. How do H and M get on IRL. What happens if the cashier gives them side-eye. It pretty tragic that 2 roughly 40 yo's can't cope at all with the tiniest of upsets.

It happens. Some peop,e are extremely tricky to deal with for whatever reason. Hormone imbalance, personality, trauma etc.

I bet you still looked smashing…

I wouldn't say it's too big but it does look low quality and badly made for whatever amount of money they must have spent on both fabric and labour.

I also didn't like Meghan's dress and wondered why she chose it. It looked too... casual, shapeless and low quality too.

Her second dress was exquisite; she looked gorgeous in it.

I think what's key is to remember we really don't know as we weren't there and that of course applies to both sides of this.

I've said myself plenty of times that some nitpicking of Meghan was just mental (nail polish, avocados etc)

I also think however it's really a bit much to proclaim something is an absolute truth on pretty slim and in-contextualised evidence.

William is now for some completely aggressive/violent personality on the basis of what Harry has shared. Something we never had people going around saying before the book.

Likewise Kate is stuck up because of lip gloss.

Do posters really make decisions based on single and innocuous things like this?

However, the texts released about the bridesmaid dress not fitting do surprise me as I'd personally not argue or stress out if I can help it a bride 4 days before her wedding, so even as seems to be that they didn't like eachother - Kate shouldn't have done that (but then she did bring flowers and apologised) -edit just read that during the daily Mail court case Meghans legal team argued that they couldn't produce texts to support it refute claims as texts are wiped due to royal protocol so how are these bridesmaid texts still accessible?

THAT said I am perplexed even more about this wedding then I was already - how come the bridesmaid dresses (not only Charlotte's) didn't fit 4 days before this enormous wedding with a whole team of staff/vendors working on it (like how come TM didn't have an invite or suit or have met Harry yet)

Ultimately where I come out is neutral - MM has done anything in regards to this episode that would bother me snd nor has Kate - enough anyway to discuss in interviews 5 years later, plus I really don't think Kate not going shopping/showing her round the castles/not hugging the first time they met = let's leave the country - which is actually all that this narrative of Harry's is ultimately about.

It definitely is scraping the bottom of the barrel for anyone looking to criticise Meghan or Kate actually

Three different weddings with very different style of bridesmaids dresses. And the bridesmaids all look lovely. The first two photos are of Charlotte.

during the daily Mail court case Meghans legal team argued that they couldn't produce texts to support it refute claims as texts are wiped due to royal protocol so how are these bridesmaid texts still accessible?

Meghan had an unfortunate lapse of memory when giving evidence to court, so perhaps that happened when briefing her legal team too.

I lived overseas before my sisters wedding / my bridesmaid dress was sent to me and I had alterations made in the country I was in.

Given the kids were either in Canada or the U.K. I would have thought someone from givenchy could have been flown over to Canada / the us hair stylist was flown to the U.K. - not like they are short of a bob or two!!!

Or I don't know, if my kids were in the party / I'd have looked to come over for a holiday around the wedding so some time before and some time after (snd plenty of the overseas guests did something like that) and then taken done of the last minuteness out of the situation.

My concern would be to just not let the side down on the day so be keen to have the clothes snd logistics right.

Links please or evidence.

www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2021/11/12/meghan-forgot-texts-deleted-security-purposes/

Though other reports around the court case do discuss texts so am not entirely sure .....

Perhaps the texts produced were by the other person in the text convo with MM?

Links please or evidence.

Meghan corrected her testimony after Knauf provided evidence that it was false. It was described (either by Meghan’s new statement or the judge, I can’t remember which) as an unfortunate lapse in memory. It’s in the court records that I really cba to look up, but I’m sure you can find it. I checked what had happened after watching that bit on Netflix.

I found that I was both wrong (I thought she’d won on just copyright infringement but she’d also won on privacy) and that I was right (Knauf’s evidence was to correct false evidence given by Meghan).

@JemimaTiggywinkles I am asking for evidence that they said they could not keep any texts. I have never heard of that before so I wonder if that is true.

Exactly, it's just Kate keeping her boundaries. Baby brain is offensive unless they were best friends, they were related but had no friendship or relationship. Lip gloss = gross even if best friends.

Harry can't comprehend that not everyone idolises Megan the way he does, and then labels them as jealous or conspiring against her if they don't like her.

If there was a post about these issues with regular people, the people would side with Kate.

Wee reminder....very apt considering Harry, the Wailing Prince, has been claiming Camilla is "dangerous". 🤦‍♂️

It seems to me like a clash between Kate being fiercely protective of her and her children's privacy and taking time to get close to someone and Meghan who desperately sought fame from an early age, phoned paparazzi and shared everything on social media. Of course Kate would be slow to warm up.

Or American actress biracial woman who we don't like and have been actively conspiring to put Harry off know your place. BTW welcome to the dysfunctional family.

No. I think it’s petty to talk about in a book and multiple interviews though.

I agree with the OP. Baby brain is a casual comment that most mothers can relate to. It's a casual throw away comment meant to show solidarity. I didn't even think anyone could possibly get upset at that. It never occurred to me. And using your finger to apply lip gloss instead of directly putting your lips on it is surely more hygienic? I think William pointing at Meghan as if she were a child and lesser than them shows how prejudiced against her she was.

I can understand not hugging but a few of the things they've criticised her for are so petty and trivial, they do sound very cold and very uptight.

If we got rid of this family and put in an elected President we could discuss real stuff you know like education, NHS and the like rather than picking over the entrails of a decaying corpse. The monarchy died with the Queen its just a lot of folk haven't clocked that yet

But at that point in time Meghan wasn’t a mother. Too familiar. She has no idea - not her lived experience, something they are all too keen to talk about. I’d have told her to f* off

Is lip gloss in the book too ?

I'm incredibly feminist but there is nothing insulting about 'baby brain'. It's a real thing and women out of solidarity, comment on it and acknowledge it. You're really, really stretching to say it's 'mocking' and insulting. Seriously.

Solidarity between mothers. Which Meghan wasn't yet

Meghan was a woman. She was trying to break the ice, to make Kate laugh. She didn't mean any harm.