Anyone else think Kate is coming across as a bit precious and over-sensitive? Baby brain, lip gloss etc.

[SallyWD]

I'll start by saying I know there are 2 sides to every story. Also, I'm not a Megan fan. I have no idea what she's like. She might be awful. I neither like her, nor dislike her. I feel the same way about Kate.

But anyway, in light of the stories that Harry is telling, does anyone else feel that Kate (and William) comes across as rather precious and over sensitive?

First of all there's the baby brain incident. Apparently Kate forgot something or made a mistake and Megan responded by saying "Oh don't worry, it's probably the baby brain". Kate then feels insulted by this remark and says something along the lines of "You don't me well enough to comment on my hormones". William joins in by pointing his finger at Megan and saying "It's rude Megan, we don't do that here." I mean seriously?? I think the baby brain remark was completely benign. I'm sure Megan was trying to reassure Kate not to worry about her mistake. Just after having my baby I paid for my shopping and walked out leaving it in the shop. The cashier had to call me back and I apologised. She also said "Don't worry, it's the baby brain". I wasn't at all offended. I was relieved she understood! I certainly didn't think "How dare a stranger comment on my hormones". The irony of William telling Megan off for rudeness whilst pointing his finger at her. I find it far more rude to point in someone's face than to mention baby brain. If I was Megan and had received that reaction to my innocent remark I would have felt humiliated and very upset.

Then there's the lipgloss incident. Megan asked to borrow Kate's lipgloss. Kate lends it to her then gets upset that she dabs it with her finger. I understand some people don't want to share lip gloss but Kate could have said no. I don't understand what's so upsetting about Megan using her finger? If I lent someone my lip gloss I'd insist they used their finger and not their mouth. Apparently the mouth harbours more germs than your average toilet.

Then there's the report that William and Kate were uncomfortable being hugged by Megan. There are literally hundreds of photos of William and Kate hugging random strangers on the internet! Yet when Megan makes this faux pas it's offensive to them.

It seemed like William and Kate expected to be treated with great formality by Megan - as if she was one of their subjects. It also seems that Megan couldn't do anything right! Megan on the other hand perhaps expected a little more intimacy given that they were her partner's family. It doesn't sound like they did much to make her feel comfortable and welcome in to the family. Does anyone agree/disagree?

A bit like him specifically commenting that the dresses were "french couture" - sure you're up to speed on dressmaking dude!

Harry strikes me as very much a bloke's bloke. The type of man who'd be very dismissive of 'girl talk' and women's interests in general. He wouldn't know his Givenchy from his McQueen to save his life.

He must have gone to his ghost writer with a list of gripes written in Meg's exquisite calligraphy

But would a ‘blokes bloke’ ever start talking about lipgloss in the first place?

When I think of blokes bloke, i think of someone like Prince Philip. Could you ever imagine him seriously recounting a story about two women and a lip gloss?

I couldn’t.

Well. Not seriously. If he had told a story like that it would have been as an amusing anecdote? Not a serious grievance

But would a ‘blokes bloke’ ever start talking about lipgloss in the first place?

He would if his wife insisted on it and he's used to doing as she says, yes.

How pathetic. How misogynistic and petty. How spiteful to bring this up years down the line in multiple interviews and on the evening before Catherine's birthday. He really is a thoroughly nasty piece of work. Even more spiteful given that we know now who was at fault here.

Just saw a video clip which showed Charlotte walking and the fit of the top of her dress is really poor, it's obviously still far too big for her. And the hem is dreadful.

No

It’s bizarre that the dresses weren’t fitted weeks before the wedding. Even if the Canadian children’s couldn’t be due to logistics the children in the UK could have been. Who fits ‘French Couture’ four days before a wedding!

And just from measurements, not even a live fitting.

Sorry if this photo’s has been posted already, but Charlotte’s dress looks like one that was bought by a thrifty DM to last her a couple of years.

It’s ill fitting and too big, and that’s presumably after the adjustments.

I thought that the little girls dresses were quite poor, they looked cheap, unfinished and didn't fit well. They looked like they should have been lined and they should have worn tights. I think having a sash is usually a good idea as it allows them to be pulled into a better fit.

You especially don't risk it on children, for a televised wedding.

Given that this is presumably post alteration and they've reduced as much as possible withour remaking the bodice then Kate was right - it did need remade.

My DM made better dresses whilst having a full time job and with 7 children (3 girls) and no money. Often using scrap material from sewing jobs she did in addition to her main job to bring in a little extra money.

You can’t tell me that even with the girls in different countries this they couldn’t have sent the dresses, with precise fit measurements and get a seamstress there to alter.

Well exactly, lack of money and resources wasn't an issue. You can get an entire "made to measure" suit made overnight in Asia. Surely a seamstress should have been allocated to each child.

The dresses looked lovely.
It is always better to do a final fitting face to face rather than simply work from measurements.

This really is peak mumsnet.

My mother made better bridesmaid dresses from old dishrags picked out on the bins.

Meghan's dress didn't look that well fitted either (although it was beautiful and she looked lovely).

I am having visions of the bridesmaids dressed up in "nothing but some old drapes".

Apparently, Meghan's dress design was deliberately on the slightly looser side to allow room to breathe, get out of the car etc.

There has been a lot of rumours about the dress and the no was more difficult, the designer or Meghan. I think the designer is no longer with Givenchy. The girls dresses were badly fitted. All the dresses where different lengths. Even arms pits. And this poor girls had no tights.I’m hope those shows were like kid gloves.

calling it French Couter like the 50’s. Who gives a damn.

The little girl dresses clearly weren’t properly fitted. I’ve seen very similar ones in real life because most people buying have to choose a stocked size that fits, and most children will be in between sizes a fair chunk of the time. I didn’t think they needed to be in tights as it was very warm at the time, but it is strange not to put socks on small children because the kids I know would moan about their shoes rubbing. But I thought Meghan’s was beautiful, that the less fitted style suited her and I loved the ever-so-slightly messy hairdo as well.

Not four days before a wedding, let alone one being transmitted round the world.

This with (frostbitten) knobs on.

“This is what you get when you found a political system on the family values of Henry VIII. At a point in the not-too-remote future, the stout heart of Queen Elizabeth II will cease to beat. At that precise moment, her firstborn son will become head of state, head of the armed forces, and head of the Church of England. In strict constitutional terms, this ought not to matter much. The English monarchy, as has been said, reigns but does not rule. From the aesthetic point of view it will matter a bit, because the prospect of a morose bat-eared and chinless man, prematurely aged, and with the most abysmal taste in royal consorts, is a distinctly lowering one.”
― Christopher Hitchens

I thought it was very ill-made under the circumstances.