Anyone else think Kate is coming across as a bit precious and over-sensitive? Baby brain, lip gloss etc.

[SallyWD]

I'll start by saying I know there are 2 sides to every story. Also, I'm not a Megan fan. I have no idea what she's like. She might be awful. I neither like her, nor dislike her. I feel the same way about Kate.

But anyway, in light of the stories that Harry is telling, does anyone else feel that Kate (and William) comes across as rather precious and over sensitive?

First of all there's the baby brain incident. Apparently Kate forgot something or made a mistake and Megan responded by saying "Oh don't worry, it's probably the baby brain". Kate then feels insulted by this remark and says something along the lines of "You don't me well enough to comment on my hormones". William joins in by pointing his finger at Megan and saying "It's rude Megan, we don't do that here." I mean seriously?? I think the baby brain remark was completely benign. I'm sure Megan was trying to reassure Kate not to worry about her mistake. Just after having my baby I paid for my shopping and walked out leaving it in the shop. The cashier had to call me back and I apologised. She also said "Don't worry, it's the baby brain". I wasn't at all offended. I was relieved she understood! I certainly didn't think "How dare a stranger comment on my hormones". The irony of William telling Megan off for rudeness whilst pointing his finger at her. I find it far more rude to point in someone's face than to mention baby brain. If I was Megan and had received that reaction to my innocent remark I would have felt humiliated and very upset.

Then there's the lipgloss incident. Megan asked to borrow Kate's lipgloss. Kate lends it to her then gets upset that she dabs it with her finger. I understand some people don't want to share lip gloss but Kate could have said no. I don't understand what's so upsetting about Megan using her finger? If I lent someone my lip gloss I'd insist they used their finger and not their mouth. Apparently the mouth harbours more germs than your average toilet.

Then there's the report that William and Kate were uncomfortable being hugged by Megan. There are literally hundreds of photos of William and Kate hugging random strangers on the internet! Yet when Megan makes this faux pas it's offensive to them.

It seemed like William and Kate expected to be treated with great formality by Megan - as if she was one of their subjects. It also seems that Megan couldn't do anything right! Megan on the other hand perhaps expected a little more intimacy given that they were her partner's family. It doesn't sound like they did much to make her feel comfortable and welcome in to the family. Does anyone agree/disagree?

No.

It makes me laugh how indignant Kate supporters are about the teeniest criticism of their princess while they viciously slag off Meghan and purport to know exactly what she thinks and all of her motivations in every situation. All of a sudden it's 'disgusting and bitchy' to talk about Kate, and 'you don't know her', and that old chestnut you're sexist for 'pitting one woman against another'.

Funny how they forget their feminist ideals when it comes to Meghan.

'We have had a Queen of England for 300 years or so. There is n9 such thing as a future Queen of England.

There is only a King/Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Check out the Royal Titles Act'

You're being purposely argumentative because you understood full well what they meant - this is exhausting

I agree with all this. I felt dominated by my family for the whole of my childhood and couldn’t wait to be an adult and away from it. Even though I do still love them all!

I hate feeling controlled by anyone and would be a terrible recruit for any organisation like the army or the RF. Self employment and fixed term contracts have been a lifeline to me! I totally sympathise that Harry struggled as he couldn’t keep everything he’d enjoyed up until the point be met Meghan (it’s clear he at the very least enjoyed the titles, money and privilege) and keep his relationship connection with Meghan. I totally see that Meghan likely felt the RF set up wasn’t from her but the fame and riches (Which I have always assumed is part of the allure for all actors looking to make their career in Hollywood) were and as she wanted to marry Harry, she could live with the rest. It comes across to me that the RF recognised and foresaw that and offered them ways out of the institution whilst remaining part of the family way back before they were married. Harry & Meghan said no to this (and it appears offended by this) and said they were all in… likely in the hope that once in they could have things changed to what would suit them better. That clearly didn’t happen. They couldn’t have everything they wanted - only some - and objected to having to pick which bits mattered more to them and here we are. Do I think that the RF set up has some dysfunction for the family members - can’t see how it doesn’t (same as lots of other families with family businesses and property) - do I think there was deliberate malice and deceit… well…

IMO - Only one couple have showed themselves on the world stage to be deceitful and malicious on top of all this inevitable clash. Maybe both couples and the rest of the RF are 🤷‍♀️… how would I every be able to definitively know? However, I truly believe Harry & Meghan definitely are having observed their public actions (and, in fact, words from their own mouths have actively reduced my belief that Charles, Camilla, William & Catherine are also deceitful and malicious).

I once said I wasn't keen on one of Kate's dresses. I got attacked for a few days as a result. Crazy.

I feel like William and Kate could spit in Meghan's face or push her into a pile of manure and people on here would still defend them as the best example of restrained, polite British culture. You only have to look at the "hilarious" memes and jokes on the thread about the dog bowl incident to see that - suddenly violence is hilariously funny and completely acceptable, and Harry is an unspeakable wuss for complaining. If it was the other way around and Harry had pushed William, no way - that would be the ultimate ammo against him and Meghan.

Considering the lies and now backtracking Harry is doing, people are increasingly taking anything he says with a pinch of salt.

Whining and unsubstantiated allegations is all Harry has.

He's an overprivileged rich boy born with a silver spoon in his mouth and seems oblivious to real world struggles. His family, on the other hand, wisely are sticking to their policy of never complaining about their lot in life.

Harry needs to shut up now. 🤷‍♂️

I truly can't see how she would give a shit. She's got her own job and she's very good at it, and she's beautiful too. She's even got swishy hair as a trademark.

Nope, 'baby brain' is an insult, I called out anyone who said it when I was pregnant, don't think anyone was so offended they needed to write a tell-all book about it

The Royal Family is not ‘most people’ though is it? They have rituals, traditions and royal orders going back hundreds of years. You can’t just rock up from California and expect that the royals will dispense those well worn protocols just for you. Harry should have pre-empted it and she should’ve had a bit more respect.

Yes, the Meghan detractors are the deranged ones ,

Rot.

You might as well say "I eat what I see" means the same thing as "I see what I eat"! They don't mean the same thing, you know.

Next.... 🤫

MM is one of those women that people write about on MN. The type of woman that appears to have everything. Attractive, highly intelligent, self made, a humanitarian, eloquent, confident. Then to top it all she has an adoring husband

I can see why Kate may have felt a little intimidated

Well if you're going to be pedantic, there's never been a King/Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland either. The correct title is His/Her majesty name the number By the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of His/Her other Realms and Territories King/Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.

What evidence is there that Meghan is “highly intelligent”? Genuine question. Intelligent, yes, but honestly see nothing to Indicate she’s operating at a higher level than most cognitively eg lack of research before uprooting her entire life and joining the BRF.

Also, one of the definitions of uppity is having ideas or acting with 'ideas above your station' - how does a future queen manage this? Her 'station' is pretty much above everything so it's a strange insult.

I don't know what Harry's intention was in including the baby brain anecdote, but as a feminist I think it makes Meghan look bloody awful. Not quite as bad as the slut shaming her sister for having children with 2 different men, but it's up there as a shit and sexist insult.

Brilliant 🤣

I think this is a petty incident.

But I think the defence of Kate by saying she is above Meghan's station is a strange one. Kate is not better than Meghan. Kate will be Queen because of who she married. The Royal Family is not a meritocracy.

This
The victim blaming was shocking.
The future king is unable to control his temper and assaults his own brother , Yet Harry is the crazy one .

Some posters irrational hate of Meghan and Harry has clouded their judgement. They cannot even bring themselves to condemn an assault. Instead deflecting from the assault by making stupid ‘jokes’ about dog bowls

Actually, that states the Monarch is that, quote, " King/Queen....By the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".

After all, the Union Jack is a Royal Flag and NOT a naval one. Its named after King James VI of Scotland and I of England. It's represented the Monarch since in addition to other flags.

Other territories such as Canada are additional - QE2 was Queen of Canada separately from Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. 🤷‍♂️

So, yes, we have had a Monarch of the UK for 300 years or so.

While personally neither of those would have bothered me, if they were the absolute worst things someone who didn't like me could find to say about me (and that's with the implicit bias that comes from only hearing 1 side of the story e.g. the "grimace" could have been a completely unrelated "oh shit that reminds me I need to book in my make up artist for next thursday/order that lipstick for mum for her bday") I'd be pretty happy tbh!

MM is one of those women that people write about on MN. The type of woman that appears to have everything.

I'd agree with this. She's the type of woman that frequently inspires AIBU threads about toxic friends, school mums, or family members....

We need Rod Stewart to rerecord I am Wailing in Harry's honour.

Sigh. I’ve never bothered commenting on an H&M thread, but the most toxic person I know does this. Really think for a moment. When a story like this is told, and they manage to remember what Meghan said, how Kate responded afterwards, then how William responded, then how Meghan responded to William, even using exact quotes… ask yourself, WHY exactly do they seem unable to relay what exactly Kate was upset about that prompted the original “baby brain” comment? Strange, isn’t it? Usually people like this leave out the one missing puzzle piece that explains why their comment was an insult/snark/sarcastic, or otherwise particularly patronizing. Someone on a previous thread about this pointed out that it’s quite one thing to forget your car keys and have someone call it baby brain, and another to have someone shut your opinion about something important down and say you’re wrong and you must have baby brain. We have no idea which one Meghan did, but I imagine if it was as innocent as forgetting car keys, then she and Harry would have shared that, so it would make Kate and William look like they were over-reacting even more. Unfortunately for H and M, the best they can do is just leave it out. But maybe it’s in the book itself and we’ll know soon.

Either way, I don’t think I’d pay much attention if it didn’t make Meghan such a hypocrite. It’s one thing to use the term “baby brain.” It’s another if you have $100M from Spotify and Netflix and decide to make your first podcast all about hurtful stereotypes against women (and call it “Archetypes”), with different episodes devoted to “slut,” “bitch,” etc. If she’s so strongly against female stereotypes… why was she using one??

To say 'Kate worked prior to being a royal' is a bit of a stretch.

After the best education opportunities money could buy, she worked part-time for Jigsaw for one whole year. And, of course, she has to lend her name to 'passion projects' now, as that is what's expected of her.

So, if compared to Meghan who forged her own successful career and was a humanitarian long before becoming a royal, she does fall short and look rather Stepford. But that is her 'job' - to say very little, look nice in clothes and smile in public. She's extremely good at it. But she's no role model for young women.