Anyone else think Kate is coming across as a bit precious and over-sensitive? Baby brain, lip gloss etc.

[SallyWD]

I'll start by saying I know there are 2 sides to every story. Also, I'm not a Megan fan. I have no idea what she's like. She might be awful. I neither like her, nor dislike her. I feel the same way about Kate.

But anyway, in light of the stories that Harry is telling, does anyone else feel that Kate (and William) comes across as rather precious and over sensitive?

First of all there's the baby brain incident. Apparently Kate forgot something or made a mistake and Megan responded by saying "Oh don't worry, it's probably the baby brain". Kate then feels insulted by this remark and says something along the lines of "You don't me well enough to comment on my hormones". William joins in by pointing his finger at Megan and saying "It's rude Megan, we don't do that here." I mean seriously?? I think the baby brain remark was completely benign. I'm sure Megan was trying to reassure Kate not to worry about her mistake. Just after having my baby I paid for my shopping and walked out leaving it in the shop. The cashier had to call me back and I apologised. She also said "Don't worry, it's the baby brain". I wasn't at all offended. I was relieved she understood! I certainly didn't think "How dare a stranger comment on my hormones". The irony of William telling Megan off for rudeness whilst pointing his finger at her. I find it far more rude to point in someone's face than to mention baby brain. If I was Megan and had received that reaction to my innocent remark I would have felt humiliated and very upset.

Then there's the lipgloss incident. Megan asked to borrow Kate's lipgloss. Kate lends it to her then gets upset that she dabs it with her finger. I understand some people don't want to share lip gloss but Kate could have said no. I don't understand what's so upsetting about Megan using her finger? If I lent someone my lip gloss I'd insist they used their finger and not their mouth. Apparently the mouth harbours more germs than your average toilet.

Then there's the report that William and Kate were uncomfortable being hugged by Megan. There are literally hundreds of photos of William and Kate hugging random strangers on the internet! Yet when Megan makes this faux pas it's offensive to them.

It seemed like William and Kate expected to be treated with great formality by Megan - as if she was one of their subjects. It also seems that Megan couldn't do anything right! Megan on the other hand perhaps expected a little more intimacy given that they were her partner's family. It doesn't sound like they did much to make her feel comfortable and welcome in to the family. Does anyone agree/disagree?

The rules of etiquette do not require one to put up with such disrespect. And they don’t apply between siblings. William had every right to point out that the statement was rude and had upset Kate.

Let’s not pretend that Harry cares about etiquette anyway. His sharing of family private matters blows that theory out of the water.

To anyone saying Kate shouldn’t have shared her lipgloss if it bothered her, you are all wrong.

Kate wanted to be welcoming even if it caused her discomfort, and thank God for that, because if she’d said ‘no’ that little incident would’ve made the Oprah interview. Oprah would’ve asked why wouldn’t Kate share, and Meghan would have given a meaningful look and uttered “I think we could all guess why”.

All it shows is H&M looking for any tiny little thing to hold a grudge about. Wittering on about the lipgloss incident, what, 5 years after it happened and putting it in a book fgs. It should have been forgotten 2 seconds after it happened, not dredged up and examined in minute detail years later.

All I know is that one side is moaning and moaning and whining and the other side is maintaining a dignified silence.

Not precious. Just really I think she reacted as most would, I'd hate someone to borrow my lipstick or lip gloss. I mean, why??? Also, the baby brain thing is something you'd say if you really know someone well and we're very close to them. The context is important too.

I find Meghan weird, why constantly push the boundaries.

I don't think it's hypocritical - she can hug who she likes! She didn't 'owe' Meghan a hug.

What can possibly be gained, other than causing hurt to a woman Harry seemed to be very close to until a certain point in his life?

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This and shit tonne of $$

It’s the assumption that someone can force familiarity on a woman. We’re not ok with a man doing it, why should we accept it from a woman?

Meghan overstepped the boundaries, why she did that only she knows, but she should have accepted another woman’s boundaries.

Exactly, she's being criticised for a look which could have meant anything

Hell she was pregnant, and suffers hyperemesis (as did I, and altgough I was back working again by that time in my pregnancies I wasn't symptom free). So I'll add in

• bloody hell that perfume is strong
• christ that guy who is about 20ft away has BO
• shouldn't have had that digestive, it's coming back

OR maybe Meghan double dipped 😃

I’ll be honest the baby brain comment would have insulted me. Especially coming from someone who I didn’t know well at all. And I probably would have been just as upset as Kate in that position.

The lipgloss is a total non-issue. I don’t share my lipgloss/lipstick/mascara etc with anyone. Not only the risk of germs but I just find it gross.

So no I don’t think it’s a but precious of Kate. I think she established boundaries and it didn’t shit Meghan or Harry.

That’s assuming that everything he has said is true which let’s face it, he has been economical with it in the past.

But why would they send out a statement about Meghan, she had a nose job years before she even met Harry?!

Also, as previously mentioned - the palace only put out a statement about a specific clinic that claimed Kate used their service to try and cash in on the association, which I believe they also did with Meghan under similar circumstances.

You really are clutching at straws.

Yes. Damned if she does, damned if she doesn’t.

Shouldn't have, not 'of'.

And Kate, like any woman, is free to set her own boundaries for her personal space. I thought that was considered fairly fundamental in modern feminism? I thought Meghan was a feminist?

And I don't for a moment buy the laid back 'huggy' image Meghan wants to present. I think that's all a persona. Going by the 'real' her we saw in for example the Oprah interview, if anyone is brittle and uptight, it's not Kate.

A warm, laid back person would not be fussing over this non incident to the extent that they wanted their husband to reveal it to world 5 years later.

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Telling the world, that’s the shitty bit.

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And is also the part where you are no better than those you are publicly - and for lots of money - judging.

Politeness is not about 'rules of etiquette', it's about putting other people at their ease. It's ruder to nitpick over something that other people would be fine with, particularly to someone who you should be concerned with making feel welcome when you're on home turf (so to speak). Life would be very difficult if everyone pulled other people up on everything they perceived as rude. There are far more kind and polite ways of communicating than declaring to someone that they are being rude and wagging your finger in their face!

He's going to need it.

I can't see any organisation of note wanting to be associated with him after this farce.

I agree - to be honest, if Kate came out in an interview and whined that Meghan insulted her by saying she had baby brain, she would likely be told to stop complaining and get over it. I've no doubt William and Kate have various grievances they would love to rant about...and if they did I would be the first to roll my eyes.

It's the fact that Harry is now using these petty little things as 'evidence' that W&K are bad people or something is ridiculous - it's more likely that there was a difference in communication and personalities on both sides. Which is now being interpreted as disrespect or something.

Neither was Kate Middleton at that point.

I once borrowed my flatmate’s mascara and it gave me an almighty eye infection. This was 29 years ago and I have NEVER shared my make-up since. Ok tell you a lie, I let my DH and DC to share my vaseline tub. But that’s it.

It’s embarrassing to air these petty grievances from yonks ago and it tells everything you need to know about H&M.

the thing is that we are only being told the stories that paint megan in a good light - they arent going to tell us the ones where megan comes out looking bad. any relationship, especially within families are going to have similar stories - you just need to look on mumsnet and there are endless threads anbout SILs pissing mumsnetters off! The press is just Harry and Megans version of AIBU!!!

"Baby brain" is rude, sexist shit. Disgusting coming from someone who styles herself a feminist.
And sharing lip gloss? Seriously. Gross.

Have they changed the story to b/E now? As it was previously "a friend" who introduced them.

Yep....Kate is stuck up and standoffish, William has a temper, Camilla is calculating, the Queen was weak, Charles is cold and preoccupied, the media run the show and Meghan is Diana.....am I keeping up?