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So the Royal Family isn’t racist?

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Harrysfrostbittentodger · 08/01/2023 23:09

That’s what I took from Harry’s recent interview. That they didn’t accuse the royal family of being racist in the Oprah interview?!

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Malahaha · 10/01/2023 08:40

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Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm a long-term member of MN, who started with the feminism board.

When I first came to this particular place I met with aggression and was hounded off in a feeding frenzy (to use H's words!) because I was voiced some negative views of M. I was suspicious very early on (though initially rejoicing because H was bringing some melanin into the family!). MNers came after me with pitchforks! It's good to see the tide is turning here, or has turned. That's why I'm back.

It didn't take long to see that marrying H was an upward-power-move by MM: you only have to see her wedding guestlist to know that! And all the talk about star-power! She didn't know that royalty is not about star power and popularity at all, and joining the RF does not automatically make you a Hollywood A lister. You need talent for that.

Ngozi's account of the conversation is still only hearsay. We have one person's account of what was said, and no proof. Yet Lady S was hounded out of her job.

A further person who deserves scrutiny is Doria, who in the NF mockumentary again brought up the whole "RF is racist" allegations, along with fake tears.
So Doria, too, went along with the nonsense, which means that Doria too has been thrown under the bus by Harry.

These people need to get their stories straight. I can't believe there are still people defending them.

Maybe I'll stick around for a while.

ChangingTheChannel · 10/01/2023 09:01

Deleted. Glad to see that.

oreste · 10/01/2023 09:37

@Malahaha You speak a lot of sense but there are a lot of posters who are not ready for it (at all).

Malahaha · 10/01/2023 10:02

Mirabai · 09/01/2023 09:22

I haven’t seen any actual evidence of this apparent so-called bullying of staff. From the anecdotal accounts, W & C appear to have been rude themselves - so, if anything, there seems to be rudeness on both sides.

PA is of direct relevance to the question of why a mixed race actress would attract this deranged level of obsessive hatred for what - at the very worst - are minor criticisms of behaviour - when a family member who may well have potentially have broken the law is simply ignored.

Maybe you should read Valentine Low's book, Courtiers. Or follow up on the complaints that Jason Knauf reported to William complaints so serious, some of the staff were reduced to tears and many resigned.

rumship · 10/01/2023 10:06

@Malahaha The attempt to create an echo chamber does seem to be crumbling. I'm also amazed to look back and still see the select few posting even on the royals thread christmas day and all the way through xmas.

oreste · 10/01/2023 10:08

We are still at the stage where white mc women who have been brainwashed by this garbage will scream at you that you are wrong for not calling your own experience racist. Then, one day, the absurdity of it will become clear and we will all be allowed to define our own experiences for ourselves.

Malahaha · 10/01/2023 10:32

StalkedByASpider · 09/01/2023 10:00

In fairness though, we've not seen a shred of evidence for any of Harry and Meghan's claims either - but we have seen backtracking, contradictions and some proven falsehoods by them.... In addition, Harry seems to have actually confirmed some of the stories they previously claimed were false, inadvertently shooting him and Meghan in the foot.

I don't think her race was an issue for most people - and that's not because I believe racism doesn't exist, and that we live in a wonderful utopia. I think it's because colourism is a real thing. Meghan's skin is so light, she isn't easily recognised as a mixed race woman - most people believed that she was part-Mediterranean, Spanish etc until her ethnic heritage was made known. And as she has previously said herself, she never identified as a POC previously. Of course racism is clearly an issue for some, but I genuinely think it's a minority. Even in the press. What I do think is an issue is a culture clash - I think there could be resistance and bristling to an "uppity" American woman. Meghan has demonstrated herself that she likes to speak out and be heard - I can well imagine that this wasn't received well in an upper class British family where etiquette is held in great reverence. And I think the culture clash also was an issue for journalists, which fed the narrative about her.

For transparency, I'm autistic and justice, honesty and facts matter very much to me indeed. Even if I don't like someone very much, I don't feel good if I'm not being honest about the true situation. So I'm not seeking to pull Meghan down out of personal distaste. I wanted to like her and I initially thought how wonderful it was for them both - but things unravelled, bit by bit. This is genuinely how I see it. I think some of it is her fault, some of it is Harry's fault and I fully expect that some of it was the RF's fault. There's usually three sides to every story. But Harry and Meghan embellishing facts, repeatedly selling private stories, making vague accusations, making really serious accusations - which they're now backtracking on - it's unforgivable, imo.

And as for Andrew, no I don't think it's relevant. He's persona non grata as far as the RF go, and as far as the public go. There's rarely a mention of him anywhere without the phrase "sweaty nonce" popping up. There's absolutely no world in which his alleged crimes have been "ignored". I don't see anyone defending him, or suggesting he should be allowed back into the fold. There's absolutely no comparison between Andrew and a "mixed-race actress". No relevance at all.

I think the "deranged hatred" as you call it for Meghan is because she's someone from outside who's arrived in our country, been loved, and idolised - genuinely. Just look at the wedding. People really thought she'd be wonderful. And then it appears that she's rejected our culture, traditions, and our royal family - while at the same time Harry transformed from a happy, jovial, chatty man into a sullen, angry, man child spouting vitriol at the country he once professed to love. I'm not saying Meghan IS to blame - but to a lot of people she appears to be the catalyst. It's a response to what feels like rejection, disappointment in the change in Harry and of course, a reaction to the fibs, exaggerations and tall stories that her and Harry seem to keep selling to the media. What have we had so far - Oprah, Meghan's podcasts which contained plenty of digs and veiled threats, the Netflix series, Harry's book, two more interviews from Harry - and now there are rumours that Meghan is going to write "her truth" too. Jesus. Enough. I wish them well - but they need to stop courting the media and publicity, while complaining about others doing the same. Their double standards reek of hypocrisy and that's something that never goes down well in this country. Move on, be happy, enjoy their family. All this will die down and eventually blow over. But not if they keep flogging this dead horse.

That's a fantastic post, Stalked, and you express it all very succinctly and clearly. I was one of the ones who liked both Harry and Meghan back in 2016 and wished them well, but over the years their actions and words have slowly eroded all the good wishes I had for them.
Thank you for putting my feelings into words.

caringcarer · 10/01/2023 10:57

Meghan brought up someone within the RF had made a comment on his potential skin colour. Opera looked shocked and said you mean someone within the family is racist and Meghan said if that is how you perceive it I would not argue against that view. Clearly implying she thought the comment was racist. She also linked it with lack of security and no title for Archie and commented Archie's cousins were given titles and inferred he was being treated differently because of his skin colour. That was clearly accusing RF of racism. I am not surprised they are taking legal advice.

caringcarer · 10/01/2023 11:05

Let's not forget the OW interview was aired as his grandfather lay in hospital dying. Also Harry must have rushed back after Queen Elizabeth died to add more venom to his book about Meghan not being welcome at Balmoral and he not being invited on plane, before releasing it for publication. Obviously Harry very focused upon profit from book over grandparents wellbeing.

HaroldsHoodie · 10/01/2023 11:12

The comment was NOT made about Archie. It was a hypothetical question about hypothetical children.

The linking of it to titles/security/lack thereof/ etc was just absolute bollocks, which Meghan and Harry both knew perfectly well. They lied because they needed support in the US and they know that no one there knows anything about how things work. And probably also because they’re both very angry that the whole hierarchy - surprise surprise - wasn’t just going to change to make them happy and no, they couldn’t just do what the hell they liked. Oh and their cottage was too quaint and they didn’t have an apartment in a palace and waaaah waaaah waaaah.

What an idiot he is. Without that very hierarchy within the ‘institution’ he’d have precisely nothing, which I really don’t think he’d like very much.

Malahaha · 10/01/2023 11:14

caringcarer · 10/01/2023 11:05

Let's not forget the OW interview was aired as his grandfather lay in hospital dying. Also Harry must have rushed back after Queen Elizabeth died to add more venom to his book about Meghan not being welcome at Balmoral and he not being invited on plane, before releasing it for publication. Obviously Harry very focused upon profit from book over grandparents wellbeing.

And let's not forget that they assumed that HMQEII would be alive on publication of this poison. They were obviously shocked by her death and rushed to make amendments to the NF series as well as the book. Possibly to appease the King?

Malahaha · 10/01/2023 11:18

HaroldsHoodie · 10/01/2023 11:12

The comment was NOT made about Archie. It was a hypothetical question about hypothetical children.

The linking of it to titles/security/lack thereof/ etc was just absolute bollocks, which Meghan and Harry both knew perfectly well. They lied because they needed support in the US and they know that no one there knows anything about how things work. And probably also because they’re both very angry that the whole hierarchy - surprise surprise - wasn’t just going to change to make them happy and no, they couldn’t just do what the hell they liked. Oh and their cottage was too quaint and they didn’t have an apartment in a palace and waaaah waaaah waaaah.

What an idiot he is. Without that very hierarchy within the ‘institution’ he’d have precisely nothing, which I really don’t think he’d like very much.

Indeed. If he were simply Harry from Croydon, without title, without degree, without skills in any trade, without a rich granny rich dad, I wonder if Meghan would have fallen so madly in love with him, had she'd met him on a blind date.

DuchessofSandwich · 10/01/2023 11:32

@LagunaBeachtoTheHills

I personally always feel like there’s gaslighting going on when people claim Meghan’s skin colour is not dark enough to be a PoC or that they make the point of telling everyone they thought she was white when they first saw her. 🙄

I thought she was white/mediterranean when I first saw her. She has the same colouring, I'll attach some pictures of her, Sophia Loren and Penelope Cruz. How is that gaslighting?

So the Royal Family isn’t racist?
So the Royal Family isn’t racist?
So the Royal Family isn’t racist?
bobbytorq · 10/01/2023 11:34

Irrespective of M&H, they Royal Family are as racist as they come.

Blossomtoes · 10/01/2023 11:35

bobbytorq · 10/01/2023 11:34

Irrespective of M&H, they Royal Family are as racist as they come.

Do you have any evidence to support that?

rumship · 10/01/2023 11:37

bobbytorq · 10/01/2023 11:34

Irrespective of M&H, they Royal Family are as racist as they come.

That's quite a hyperbolic statement, one could say it's all 💩.

Where are all the famous Sussex receipts' 😂

PicturesOfDogs · 10/01/2023 11:44

DuchessofSandwich · 10/01/2023 11:32

@LagunaBeachtoTheHills

I personally always feel like there’s gaslighting going on when people claim Meghan’s skin colour is not dark enough to be a PoC or that they make the point of telling everyone they thought she was white when they first saw her. 🙄

I thought she was white/mediterranean when I first saw her. She has the same colouring, I'll attach some pictures of her, Sophia Loren and Penelope Cruz. How is that gaslighting?

I mean, she’s pretty much the same colour as Harry in this one.

Look at both their arms.

And Harry’s hardly known for being dark.

It’s not really surprising someone could look at her and not automatically think black/mixed race.

So the Royal Family isn’t racist?
rumship · 10/01/2023 11:47

I personally always feel like there’s gaslighting going on when people claim Meghan’s skin colour is not dark enough to be a PoC or that they make the point of telling everyone they thought she was white when they first saw her.

Well to point out the blatantly obvious, when people who first saw her did not take a liking to her for whatever reason and they assumed she was white/tanned/dark skin white and then they are accused of racism it's pretty bloody obvious to point this fact out what they thought at the time. 🙄

Mirabai · 10/01/2023 12:29

Malahaha · 10/01/2023 10:02

Maybe you should read Valentine Low's book, Courtiers. Or follow up on the complaints that Jason Knauf reported to William complaints so serious, some of the staff were reduced to tears and many resigned.

I read several sections of it & identified key claims that were demonstrably untrue. Whether it was ignorance or intentional on the part of the writer I don’t know, but one of the courtiers provably lied on one particular issue.

JK forwarded 2 reports to him from staff, who did not put in a formal complaint themselves, without their consent, which is a breach of procedure. He subsequently resigned. (Although he was later rehired, he’s now apparently jobless in India).

Pointerdogsrule · 10/01/2023 12:31

Iamnotyourmum · 08/01/2023 23:17

Meghan & Harry have just accepted a prestigious American award for fighting racism in the royal family. Yet now he claims they’re not racist?

“The Duke and Duchess of Sussex were presented with their award by Kerry Kennedy, the daughter of Robert F. Kennedy, who thanked the busy couple for showing up and explained that they were receiving this recognition because they spoke out against racism within the royal family.” Vanity Fair

Perhaps they should hand the award back?

Why?

The spoke out against racism within the Royal Family. I've spoken out aginst racism within my family, it would be incorrect to then say 'My family is racist' for fucks sake....

Magnoliasunrise · 10/01/2023 12:31

By now we should all know that it is totally okay to change "my truth" when it suits

Mirabai · 10/01/2023 12:32

Discussion of just how black a mixed race person is - is deeply ignorant as well as offensive.

Pointerdogsrule · 10/01/2023 12:34

Blossomtoes · 10/01/2023 11:35

Do you have any evidence to support that?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/02/buckingham-palace-banned-ethnic-minorities-from-office-roles-papers-reveal

Mezmer · 10/01/2023 12:37

I’m viewing it that it’s not up to other people to judge is someone is racist or not unless a definite and intentional act of racism was committed.

Frankola · 10/01/2023 12:39

They genuinely live in an alternate universe.

To say they never accused the RF of racism is laughable. It could not have been a clearer insinuation during the Oprah interview. Not to mention that they've just accepted a prestigious humanitarian award for combating apparent racism in the RF.

It's exactly the same as him sitting there saying he wasn't being harsh, or nasty with things he wrote in the book. And that things he wrote haven't been put there to hurt people's feelings. He thinks the public are idiots.