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So the Royal Family isn’t racist?

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Harrysfrostbittentodger · 08/01/2023 23:09

That’s what I took from Harry’s recent interview. That they didn’t accuse the royal family of being racist in the Oprah interview?!

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Whenharrymetsmelly · 10/01/2023 05:57

Malahaha · 10/01/2023 05:53

@Whenharrymetsmelly
I don't want to rehash that whole kerfuffle, but this was one person's version of what was said; a person who bore an African sounding name and was dressed in what seemed to be complete tribal attire. Obviously a proud African, no?

If she really thought she was completely British, dress so conspicuously?

It is my belief that she went there with the deliberate intention of invoking thevery question: where are you really from?

Me, I don't mind that question. In most cases it's harmless and indicates interest; at worst, a little awkward. We have the choice whether to het offended or not. I don't get offended. I assume good intentions, and answer truthfully. That's the way we can all get along better.

I take it you didn't actually hear/read the transcript then.
That's lovely for you that you don't get offended for the greater good of race relations so that we can all get along better. Best we all stay in our box aye Confused

Malahaha · 10/01/2023 05:58

Harry needs to get his stories straight. It seems that they ARE racist, so much so that we need to be concerned for George, Charlotte and Louis in case they want to marry mixed race partners, and he and Meghan have brought enlightenment into the family.

I can't even...

Telegraph article.

archive.ph/5T6fE

Malahaha · 10/01/2023 06:02

Whenharrymetsmelly · 10/01/2023 05:57

I take it you didn't actually hear/read the transcript then.
That's lovely for you that you don't get offended for the greater good of race relations so that we can all get along better. Best we all stay in our box aye Confused

The transcript? You mean, her recollections of exactly what was said?

Or was she wearing a mike, or had her phone recoding, so that the transcript is actual proof of the conversation? If so, why wear a mike?

See, I am rather suspicious when someone claims to be able to recount a conversation EXACTLY, and that is accepted as proof.

Malahaha · 10/01/2023 06:05

FlairBand · 09/01/2023 08:32

I would be really interested to understand how POC feel about a white Prince mansplaining a distinction between racism and unconscious bias, having accepted an award for calling out institutional racism in the RF, with the sole purpose of manipulating their narrative because it’s backfiring?

I call bullshit. He is trying to sound intellectual. Now what he says the RF is not racist after all, they need to return that bogus reward.

Malahaha · 10/01/2023 06:10

BethJ62 · 09/01/2023 08:40

Are all H and M’s defenders have a lie in this morning ?

I think it's going to be a struggle now, defending the RF/Racists narrative. The Sussexes have let down their most ardent fans. Shame!

Malahaha · 10/01/2023 06:25

StartupRepair · 09/01/2023 03:02

This claim on Oprah had a massive impact on the image of the Royal Family and the legacy of his grandparents. H and M accepted an award for saying it only a few weeks ago. Now he says he never said it? And he wants to serve the Commonwealth which last month was Empire 2.0? Oh please.

They are tying themselves up in knots, trying to correct the stories they once told.

It's almost as if the Queen's death took them by surprise and now they have to correct the narrative to please KCIII...

The wheels are coming off the bus and I will never be so happy to watch a train wreck -- I mean bus wreck.

Diverseopinions · 10/01/2023 06:25

asblindasabat · 08/01/2023 23:18

I too was very confused by this.

I can’t remember word for word what he and/or Meghan said about it on the oprah interview, but I’m almost certain they did say they were racist?

if not, they certainly Implied it! By saying your family were concerned about the skin colour of your unborn child, in that context, would surely imply racism?

Didn't William get asked by the press if the Royal Family were a racist family and deny it? This was on a visit to a school. The press clearly thought that that was what was implied in the Oprah interview.

Whenharrymetsmelly · 10/01/2023 06:27

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Snippedasababy · 10/01/2023 06:40

Diverseopinions · 10/01/2023 06:25

Didn't William get asked by the press if the Royal Family were a racist family and deny it? This was on a visit to a school. The press clearly thought that that was what was implied in the Oprah interview.

Yes. And I think Omid Scobie complained about Williams refusal to tackle Racism in the RF.

The same Omid Scobie who is a close friend and the person that speaks on their behalf all the time. He certainly felt they were saying the RF were racist.

I believe Harry is back tracking, because he knows it wasn’t intended to be more than a ‘oh I wonder what your child will look like’. And I don’t think he has done it for the RF. I think he has done because they can’t continue to attend things like the Coronation, whilst also running the narrative that they are racist.

As a mixed race person, I have huge issues with his story around this. The fact that he says this conversation happened in the early days of their relationship, but Meghan wasn’t told to her until she was married and pregnant. If he immediately thought it was racist or biased he should have made her aware of what was happening and discussed. To me, that suggests he either purposely hid it or added an intention to it that wasn’t there, when it suited him. I have always had that issue.

His backtrack now, makes me feel like he used the subject of racism to his own advantage. A rich, privileged, white, titled male managed to use racism for his own ends. Now it doesn’t suit, he wants to play it down.

And it is a back track. He could have clarified their position, at the time. Rather than let it run for almost 2 years.

Magnoliasunrise · 10/01/2023 06:51

Sorry to jump on this thread but other ones keep disappearing. I see today Harry had an armed guard with him for his appearance on the Late Show. I wondered why the guard had it in a lock box though as surely that won't help? Bodyguard to the would-be-assasin - Erm wait...... can you just let me unlock my box before you do anything?

Diverseopinions · 10/01/2023 06:52

StormzyinaTCup · 08/01/2023 23:43

He now says it is a normal conversation to have but in OW interview he said he couldn’t repeat the conversation, why not if it is a normal conversation to have

He also said in Oprah he was very taken aback when it was first said to him! He needs to make up his mind, is it a normal conversation to have or was it so shocking that he was taken aback - which one is it. Or maybe it's actually neither of these.

I read on Mums Net, I think, that Harry had said that Meghan thinks Lady Susan Hussey is great and that both of them understand what she was trying to say to Ngozi Fulani when she asked questions about where she came from in an insensitive and persistent manner.

It sounds a little bit like Meghan and Harry don't want their complaints about the Royal Family and the press to seem focused on the issue of race unconscious or conscious bias, or Meghan's race. But this is a new development, because a different impression was created in the Netflix docuseries.

It actually seems as if, since 'Spare' was leaked, the spotlight of the couple's complaints has shifted on to Harry, and more his earlier life, before he met Meghan. The message seems to now be that his grievances were always there and the recent ones are a continuation of the old ones. The narrative is about the tensions between him and William. Even the issue of the press behaviour is being explained as the Palace feeding stories to the press, rather than the press crew in themselves being mysogynist and prejudiced.

Harry is promoting his book alone, without any visible support from his wife. Either he wants to do this, or Meghan has shrewdly decided that this moving train has gained too much momentum, and she doesn't want to be seen as the one at the controls.

Interestingly, there is little sense of an emphasis on Harry's new life and his family. Having kids often changes people and makes them forget about petty slights and disappointments from their earlier life. They are fulfilled and see what vulnerability really is, in the form of a little baby, and chop down into perspective their perceived sense of emotional pain within in themselves.

This promotion for Spare is all about him and the child inside him. The interviews don't seem to exactly try to soften any of the words in the book, either.

A year ago, didn't the publicity state that this book would be written by the man Harry has become, and not about the role he was born to. But that has changed, as the title is 'Spare', and it is all about his formative experiences. He is very happy with the importances and privileges conferred by Royal status and isn't coming across at all as a new age man.

I think that if the interviews with Harry continue and proliferate to be interviews about interviews, then Meghan will be able to distance herself from the fall out within the Royal Family, and the problem will seem to be about the usual dysfunctions of family and, even, the errors of the fathers. People will start to feel sorry for her having taken on Harry's emotional baggage.

ImBlueDab · 10/01/2023 07:13

This whole M&H circus is getting more ridiculous each day and Harry is becoming less credible by the day. Looks like the RF's motto of 'Never complain, never explain' has stood them in good stead, the poor lad is digging himself a massive hole!

strugglin101 · 10/01/2023 07:20

LagunaBeachtoTheHills · 10/01/2023 01:48

I agree.

A lot of people seem to cling on to any PoC that has negative things to say about Meghan/Harry as if it somehow must be true just because they’re not white. Do they place as much value on each PoC that supports them? Not in my experience.

I personally always feel like there’s gaslighting going on when people claim Meghan’s skin colour is not dark enough to be a PoC or that they make the point of telling everyone they thought she was white when they first saw her. 🙄

That's odd I always feel gaslighted when someone tells me she's birracial as if to correct something I'm saying. She's also white. I'm birracial and brown. Yes, there's a difference.

FlairBand · 10/01/2023 07:25

I think he’s increasingly showing that has never had the faintest understanding or awareness about the level of privelege that he has grown up with, which in turn necessitated the protection he has always been afforded from staff and professionals (even if he hated them).

I think the same is increasingly true of Meghan, on a different scale to him, but her experiences bears little resemblance to most people who are affected by those complaints.

Both completed deluded in other words.

LagunaBeachtoTheHills · 10/01/2023 07:27

strugglin101 · 10/01/2023 07:20

That's odd I always feel gaslighted when someone tells me she's birracial as if to correct something I'm saying. She's also white. I'm birracial and brown. Yes, there's a difference.

Not odd. It’s almost as if people think differently. 😮

strugglin101 · 10/01/2023 07:29

@Snippedasababy
His backtrack now, makes me feel like he used the subject of racism to his own advantage. A rich, privileged, white, titled male managed to use racism for his own ends. Now it doesn’t suit, he wants to play it down.

Totally agree with this. For $40m I'd be quite happy write a book about my own traumas of living in a mixed race family in the 70s which would make his struggles look like a walk in the park.

strugglin101 · 10/01/2023 07:30

LagunaBeachtoTheHills · 10/01/2023 07:27

Not odd. It’s almost as if people think differently. 😮

Yes, but not many are brown with a white sister and don't need people telling them what birracial is.

LagunaBeachtoTheHills · 10/01/2023 07:37

strugglin101 · 10/01/2023 07:30

Yes, but not many are brown with a white sister and don't need people telling them what birracial is.

Lots of us will be though.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 10/01/2023 07:38

time.com/5944613/meghan-markle-oprah-racism/

AlecTrevelyan006 · 10/01/2023 07:40

In Sunday's interview, Bradby said: "In the Oprah interview, you accuse members of your family of racism..."

"No," Harry interjected. "The British press said that, right? Did Meghan ever mention 'they're racists'?"

Bradby said: "She said there were troubling comments about Archie's skin colour. Wouldn't you describe that as essentially racist?"

And yet at the time, the American media reacted very strongly indeed. This headline, for example from Time Magazine.- The Core Message of Meghan and Harry’s Oprah Interview: Racism Drove Us From the Royal Family

So he is more than happy to slate the British press for its inaccuracies etc. and yet for two years did not say one word to correct how the American press reported his interview.

Lies or hypocrisy? Hard to tell which.

strugglin101 · 10/01/2023 07:44

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Clapa · 10/01/2023 07:52

I watched a video of a teenager yesterday, who briefly summarized the Netflix documentary H and MM. I like how she thinks and says that MM is a spoiled woman who wants everything her way. In addition, this teenager keeps repeating that she does not believe all the things that MM says (she mentions racism as well...). www.prageru.com/video/i-watched-harry-and-meghan-so-you-dont-have-to

I think H and MM cannot be role models for teenagers because of their behavior. They are hypersensitive, everything hurts them, see all others who disagree with them as enemies, and they have a very low sense of self-worth.
W and K could be much better role models for young people. From what we know of their fights, they have always been able to apologize in the end.
But even that was not enough for MM and H and they should have written a book about it. It would have been much easier for H and MM if they had spoken about all these conflicts in a different way, not in such a very negative, paranoid, reviled, and humiliating way.

SighsTheNewWord · 10/01/2023 07:58

I personally always feel like there’s gaslighting going on when people claim Meghan’s skin colour is not dark enough to be a PoC or that they make the point of telling everyone they thought she was white when they first saw her.

Saying Meghan looks white isn't the same thing as saying 'Meghan 's skin isn't dark enough to be 'PoC''.
I've never even heard or read the latter but if you have, that's fine.

However, PoC doesn't = Black, which is what you may be mixing up (If not, that's fine too).

So many non-Black people are in the 'PoC' category that I'm surprised anyone would say that, if they did.

The gaslighting would be if someone's using this to justify racism, not just stating facts.

queenofarles · 10/01/2023 08:00

towards the end of Oprah interview they stated that it wasn’t the Queen or Prince Philip , why didn’t they set the record about the RF not being racist too?
the Narrative and stories keep changing with each new monarch.

strugglin101 · 10/01/2023 08:01

@LagunaBeachtoTheHills
A lot of people seem to cling on to any PoC that has negative things to say about Meghan/Harry as if it somehow must be true just because they’re not white.

Actually the reason I reason mentioned she was black is because people dismiss white people's opinions because they're white, not because her opinion must be true because they're not white.

I don't agree with her because she's a PoC, if that were true I would be agreeing with all PoC. I agree with her because she's insightful and it resonates with my own experiences.

Just like the fact I have to mention my skin colour on here, I don't want to be doing that really, but it seems to be a necessary disclaimer these days. Just like 'birracial' is a disclaimer for Meghan, which automatically (and unfairly) lets her off the hook for having her own unconscious bias as a white person.