Has anyone’s perception of Meghan changed…

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due to Harry’s book?

I think the general consensus so far has been that Harry is emotionally damaged and a bit of a man child/idiot. I’ve also noticed a few comments on here that have said they’re starting to feel a bit sorry for her having to deal with said man child.

It will be interesting to hear other’s opinions on the matter.

I think he knows he’s never going to be king and has always known that, and that’s why he’s so jealous of William (and now Kate) because he will and as such they are the “special ones”. The title of his book is Spare, so it’s clear he has a huge issue with not being in direct line for the throne.

My theory is that Meghan was naive and thought as Harry isn’t in direct line for the throne (and not being from the UK so not familiar with how the royal family works) that they could be royals on their terms (enjoying all the perks of being a Royal and also living like an A list celeb with all the associated freedoms and minimal responsibilities), maybe she thought these days it was more of a figure head position and didn’t understand the protocol and rules that are attached? Not sure why Harry didn’t correct her on this, but looking back he has always had a lot more freedom than William and his rebellious non “royal like” behaviour was tolerated by them and even found endearing by most of the public, so maybe he was somewhat naive too and thought they would bend the rules for him?

I think she’s quite narcissistic and thought that even if they weren’t going to be King and Queen they could outshine and become more popular than William and Kate and transform the RF by being “modern” and “relatable”, so that was acceptable to her, but quickly found out that their plan of how to do that (by creating a brand, doing interviews revealing intimate details etc) wasn’t compatible with being working royals, as there are a lot rules and obligations preventing this. So they’ve cut their noses off so to speak and opted out. Now they are trying to take the royal family down because they feel jealous and resentful that they couldn’t get their own way, and they also need some way of making money. I think their motivations are a bit different, he feels angry, jealous and bitter about being the spare and she’s seen an opportunity to exploit that to make money and increase her celebrity status off the royal name while also hitting back at the institution and family that told her no and tried to control and reprimand her. That’s just my theory anyway!

And this from Harry, who has talked about 'generational pain'.

I'm sorry, why is everything the woman's fault?

I was going to the same. Work experience who think they know everything.

how can you modernise an organisation you know zip about

I think she's sitting quietly in the background watching him make a fool of himself. She's not stupid, shes selfish and ambitious, once the money stops coming in she'll divorce him and he'll have no-one to turn to.

I do feel more sorry for her. I always felt she copped an unfair level of the flak that the actual born Royal didn't and some of it was very unpleasant.

Even from these excerpts it seems clear that Harry's issues long predate Meghan and that he's a very angry man and a loose cannon. I can't imagine letting my DH do something this damaging without trying to stop him, but perhaps she did try and couldn't, who knows. Anyway, it's on Harry, his face and name on the cover.

It kinda suggests they use mental health as a get out of jail card to shut down anyone criticising them. Again, more hypocrisy, the only consistency shown by them.

It’s gone from low to as low as it gets.

My dial has shifted. Before last week Harold was doing a pretty good job of letting her take the flak for a lot of stuff that’s happened in the last few years. Now he’s whipped the mask off and reality isn’t pretty. I feel quite sorry for her now, the RF must be saints to put up with him and now she’s stuck with him. It wouldn’t surprise me if she looks at him and wonders wtaf she’s done.

Good for you.

Until I know them personally, I don't see the point in an option. My comment was just a reminder for human compassion.

Well Harry didn’t openly declare all this hatred or write a book about it until Meghan turned up on the scene. It appears like she enables his ‘woe is me’ storyline, or encourages it. So no I don’t feel sorry for her.

'It wouldn’t surprise me if she looks at him and wonders wtaf she’s done.' This.

I have no idea how they can successfully pivot out of this. I pray that they do. Even in the best case scenario and all the excerpts are bollocks, H&M will be like Salman Rushdie now, forever looking over their shoulder. The Taliban have a long memory & plenty of patience.

I can’t see how this has a good ending either. They’re in an awful position now. The real losers though are their children.

People who blame Harry obviously don't realize how a good Hollywood handler operates. Time and again, we are shown examples of those failed relationships on alternative media but still, it cannot possibly be her fault 🙄

I don’t think that’s true. I genuinely thought this was 90% her fault. Not any more.

I’m not sure it’s helpful to apportion blame in a binary way.

This situation is likely a culmination and compounding of various factors.

I think his character flaws was hidden and he was protected by the firms PR machine despite his protestations.

He had a what looked to be a very close healthy emotional relationship with W&K for decades.

He is isolated now geographically with no other sounding board than MM - but was probably emotionally isolated with her when living in the U.K.

His MH is poor and IMHO the relationships that kept him balanced at his foundation have been removed and demonised and replaced with something inadequate.

I’ve never thought she was the machiavellian devil incarnate that some insist on painting her as, nor do I think she’s the naïve, innocent victim of everything and everyone that others claim. I imagine that just like most people on the planet she has good and bad traits and often those are in the eye of the beholder!

Based on what’s been revealed from the book though my opinion of H is pretty low. I reckon the RF PR machine must have worked really well for him for a very long time because IMO the British public generally had a lot of affection for him. There seemed to be a perception of him as a cheeky chappy, lovable rogue, probably great craic to go for a pint with and pretty much seen as a decent bloke. I think the footage of him at his mother’s funeral is something that stayed with the public and that sympathy towards him as a boy meant a lot of people were willing to be very forgiving when any scandal hit the press.

He’s thrown away a lot of that good will now though. His own book suggests that he’s actually a very petty, entitled, navel gazing twerp with zero self awareness who is full of resentment that he’s not the sun (son?) around which the minor planets orbit.

H didn’t have a personality transplant in his 30s when he met M, though plenty are still determined to infantilise him and blame his wife for “letting” him release this book . I actually think we’re seeing the real Harry and that even some of the formerly it’s all HER fault H fans will have some sympathy for M for being married to this self absorbed, needy man child.

I had no real opinion at first. Then when her family started putting their faces everywhere slagging her off I felt sorry for her and angry and admired her elegance and resilience to walk into the church on her own. Then i started to dislike her for her playing the victim and started to get narc vibes off her (I have had experience of a narc in my life and some of it seemed so familiar). Then i actively started to seriously dislike her with the Oprah and netflix shenanigans and now still dislike her but also feel a bit sorry for her because she is landed with Harry who has revealed himself to be a nasty, vengeful, entitled, entonox-hogging dickhead.

That is the arc of opinion I am on.

Nope not one bit.

They've bought into each others victim bingo narrative. She's an actress (albeit a shite one) let's not forget.

She's as fly as they come. I predict once she's got the notoriety from PH she'll spit him out.

Yes, I thought she was much smarter than this. Tge danger tgat her and her children are now in because of it and she's allowed it to happen

What I do think is tragic is that they love each other (I don't doubt it) and they thought being together, being married and having children would make them happy. It seems not.

Pp made very good point about generational pain. People who are mentally unwell have tunnel vision, all focused on themselves. They are either oblivious to, or do not care, about how this hyper-introspection affects their loved ones. It makes for a toxic family environment, even if they don't intend it to.

even some of the formerly it’s all HER fault H fans will have some sympathy for M for being married to this self absorbed, needy man child.

This. I actually feel quite sorry for her now. He must be a nightmare to live with.

Exactly.

Do people really think he does anything offensive own bat? It seems to me that he only does, thinks, says what she tells him.

He IS a massive man-child, but I’m not sure she’s set him up with this book.

I genuinely think she thought “yeh, include that but about me rubbing your mum’s grave” and “singing with seals” thinking it painted her in a positive light.

Because any person with even half an eye on reality would’ve realised that made them sound deranged.

I have always felt quite neutral about her. I don’t believe Harry’s leaving and everything that’s happened is her fault though.

I think he withheld information from her and kept her isolated. She then got wrapped up in this fake image of what Royalty meant. I think she thought they were changing the world and Harry would be happy of only his family would ensure this fairy tale happened the way she imagined. Then she thought they would change the world by leaving. Then Harry would be happy. They would be famous and adored.

I don’t think she realised this is where it would end up. I think, again, she has jumped not really knowing the man she is planning her life around. And her children’s lives.

I don’t think their marriage will last. And not in a gleeful way. I think she will feel like he is too far gone and she can’t do it anymore. I think for now, her only choice is to keep publicly supporting her husband.

I would be interested to understand why, after Harrys parents marriage causing so many issue for Harry, especially the public nature of it all, Harry thought this level of detail was a good idea. And I would be interested to know what she thinks.