Justine has called anti-Meghan sentiment here deranged

[vera99]

In the Telegraph today got to be worth a thread of its own. She is of course right !

The press have always reported in him. From the moment he was born, he was paraded for the world to see. His parents messy divorce was dragged through the press and they both sold their stories, jokes about his paternity, theories and court cases accusing that his dad's family murdered his mother. His precious little baby boy compared to a chimpanzee and more recently a celebrity who is mates with his stepmother comparing the wife he seems adore to Rose West and threatening sexual violence against her. He's probably thinking in for a penny, in for a pound. I haven't read the book yet so don't why his forget was frozen

I think he revealed everything about himself he knew the press or his family already knew.
It is a common tactic if you fear personal issues being published by the press. Leak it yourself and control the narrative at least a bit.

He thought he could do it better and get good pr by controlling the narrative himself.

Not understanding that's not going to work.

If he'd gone to the US and not engaged, he would have been followed but the interest would wane in time.

Now the media will seek the 'crash and burn' rather than the graceful bow out of public life.

He's not listened to good advice his whole life though. You can't say differently due to his partying and drug taking by his own admission.

We all make mistakes in life. We all have the right to make poor choices.

But equally as grown ups we have to live by them rather than blaming everyone around us for why we made those bad choices. And we have to learn to let go of resentment if people are sometimes shitty to us. Cos that's just how life is and how we grow as adults.

We learn when to be dignified and make a point through action not words.

Alternatively Harry could have built a PR organisation in the US and not engaged remotely with the Royal Saga which would have worked much better. That's what many of the US elite saw as an opportunity when he first went there too.

Again he - not anyone else - has made that decision. And there will be lots of people who simply disconnect with any sympathy for him over his pursuit of trash talk.

I think he is behaving exactly how many people from toxic and dysfunctional families behave.

That's not what he's done though is it?

He's not remotely controlling the narrative at this point. He's spilled a load of personal stuff and 'not got it all out' nor has he gained anything.

And despite popular opinion even the might of the Daily Mail could have given us the gems of 'Dogbowlgate' nor 'Frosty Todger' with their tentacles of leaks from the RF themselves.

How Harry lost his virginity has been a secret for 20 years and clearly the woman involved doesn't seem to have much of an interest in selling the story. Why did the public need to know that? That spitefully throws a grievance back because he regrets something that he consented to at the time. This woman then gets dragged back into something she doesn't want public and has kept secret for years. Again, why the need to rake out something that was dead in the water?

That's not controlling the narrative either. That's paving the way for the Mail etc to track down this woman, harass her, invade her privacy and potentially eventually get her tell all side of things.

It's nuts as a strategy. It makes no sense.

It's idiocy from someone who should be PR literate precisely because of his experiences in life.

I get the distinct impression that Harry has had people clearing up the mess of his bad decision making for years and he's not remotely grasped this. Nor the implications. He's just focusing on when stuff has got leaked - even when that's been unfair.

@RedToothBrush I said partly controlling the narrative.
These are things I think either the press already know, or William and Charles know. If you fear they will be leaked in the future by them, it does make sense to just release it yourself. It is less damaging than a steady drip drip of revelations passed on to the press by your father and brother.

They all have tbh Andrew's 1 year gag order with Virginia Giuffre comes to an end in February - tik tok - Harry will get some respite then.

When the settlement was negotiated, Virginia was in a position of strength – Andrew had failed to get the case thrown out of court, and the judge had rejected all of Andrew’s legal arguments. They were headed for a trial in open court. That is when Andrew came to the settlement negotiations, from a position of weakness. So… I could totally see Andrew’s lawyers pushing for a lifetime gag order and Virginia balking and threatening to walk away. Andrew could probably only get a one-year gag order or else Virginia would have walked away from the negotiations and dragged him into a trial which the Windsors really, really did not want. Anyway, I hope Virginia is well and hopefully she spent the past year writing a book, which she’ll promote by giving tons of interviews.

I would love Virginia to have written a book. Tell the truth and shame the devil.

She’s definitely going to talk more as soon as that gag order is lifted. Maybe if she had seen real consequences for Andrew from the RF she might feel differently, but as it is – nah. (And that’s a big maybe anyway).

Meaning – if I’m Virginia, and I’m seeing Andrew front and center at The queen’s funeral, and I’m seeing him at the Christmas walk, and I know he still has security that Charles is paying, and he’s still at Royal Lodge – the only consequence is he was forced to retire early – I would probably be a little upset, just a bit.

While she’s been silent I think it’s been easy for people to forget what she alleged and said happened to her – but when she starts talking again people will remember very quickly.

I think that's a matter of opinion. And why detail certain details which aren't remotely ever going to get leaked because they are so intensely private. I don't think he would have a drip drip if he sailed into the sun set or over the ocean to the US. I think that's over stated as a possibility tbh.

What do you think the RF should have done with Andrew @vera99?

I think Andrew should be investigated at the very least for his role in money laundering over sale of his house. MPs have called for it, but it hasn’t been followed through.

That’s just the tip of the iceberg in terms of his dodgy dealings - the whole lot should be investigated.

This is a tactic used my celebrities who fear that personal stories ( such as an affair) are going to be leaked in a particular paper.
They then tell their stories to another paper in order to have some semblance of control .

I've forgotten about the money laundering stuff. Looking like the Queen paid off VG to buy time I was unaware it was a 1 year gagging order until today.

Andrew should say something like as a single man I have an extensive and active consensual sex life with a number of women over the years. In my time as a friend of Jeffery Epstein I had a financial relationship as I needed money for various projects and my lifestyle which he was happy to help with. He was very popular with young women who were to my knowledge above the age of consent and liked to party. At my one meeting with Virgina which I now deeply regret I had what appeared to me to be a fully consensual sexual liaison. I now know JE and my old friend GM to be deeply devious , manipulative and sexually exploitative of young, vulnerable girls.

I am of course deeply ashamed of my actions and relationship with JE/GM and in previous interviews have sought to deflect and play down what to me was a legally innocent relationship. I now wish to avail myself fully to the FBI to help them in whatever way I can to seek truth and justice for their victims.

I look forward to these interviews in due course and wish to give my sincere apologies to the victims, my family and the British public who I have seriously let down and fallen greatly short of the standards expected. I hope people have it in their hearts to forgive me.

Because he feared William was going to leak these details. Do you really think as brothers they never talked about how they lost their virginity or Harrys frozen penis?

I doubt anyone would leak those tmi statements. It doesn’t stack up at all.

They’re more likely cringing that he’s sold his story with so much included.

Prince Andrew on Wikileaks - the Ambo giving the unvarnished truth back to base !

wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08BISHKEK1095_a.html

She's not wrong, although it's not just MN. Look at the Times comments. All of this is her fault, Harry just made a mistake in marrying her.

I am sure he is perfectly capable of holding his own in his relationship and it's just sexist to blame it all on Meghan.

I liked them when they got married, but then they started lecturing us on saving the planet, before going off in private planes and having two children who will be high carbon users. And all of the interviews and the book are just cringeworthy. Harry is an overprivileged twit who needs to grow up.

All very lovely but it doesn’t answer my question - what do you think the RF should do about him?

Well I certainly don't like her, for one, so she might be right!

All the work I used to do with teenagers in English and History lessons about critical thinking...and people fall for this woman's self-serving venom on a daily basis.

Sigh. Human nature, eh?

Make him make that statement, they need to defuse that particular bomb - I spent 15 minutes finessing that I need my head testing ! With my republican / feminmist / evil hat on release the book one week before the coronation with a global TV interview schedule. Kaboom ...

There's a thread currently running in Active Conversations about Kate Middleton, with some breathtakingly unpleasant comments about a woman no one knows personally, based mostly on an anecdote about lipgloss which happened five years ago. Really nasty personal attack stuff. So I don't think the 'derangement' is limited to Meghan Markle; there are just some powerfully repressed people out there who have finally found an outlet for their spite.

Next week: why Tesco deserves to burn to the ground for discontinuing cornflour.

And about 60 threads slagging off Harry and Meghan.

I think a lot of things but I also don't think it would serve to help William to leak that type of thing either.

Not to mention that the British press have a few things that are absolutely off limits but health is one of the sacred cows that they observe unless it's spoken about by that person.

The danger for William would be to damage the monarchy and for Harry to retaliate anyway.

So no that argument doesn't make sense.

And if it were to come from elsewhere that says a lot about the extent to which Harry has burnt bridges elsewhere with his behaviour.

For me that makes it an acknowledgment of weakness not strength in his feud with the Royals.

As it is he's not learnt the lesson of the Streisand effect and why the royals have the 'never explain never complain' strategy in the first place.

Nor the one about never interfere with your enemy whilst they are making their own mistakes

For me the whole issue here is Harry making bad decisions and never having faced up to consequences over the years because he was overprotected. It's suddenly coming to a bit of a head where there is a dawning realisation he's not as protected / he's unaware of how protected he's been and it's catching up with him.

Even the Nazi uniform thing hasn't had the same consequences it would have had for mere mortals.

He was undoubtedly warned by numerous people in his life to not do drugs etc etc but he did them anyway and continued...

You were moaning about him appearing at the Queen’s funeral, walking to church and continuing to live in Royal Lodge - what do you envisage as the alternative? I appreciate you must be getting very tired given that you were here posting at 4am but it’s not that difficult a question.