Justine has called anti-Meghan sentiment here deranged

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In the Telegraph today got to be worth a thread of its own. She is of course right !

She’s absolutely right. Her conclusion is not a revelation. And it’s these same individuals on MN who take great pains to convince others that it’s H&M who are unstable. The irony!

@Puzzledandpissedoff
I was referring to this document. I’m sure you know more than me though.

100%

Completely irrelevant but does anyone else think Justine looks like Sister Julienne from Call the Midwife?

I do like crap lookalikes and I can see where you're going but I'm calling no !

BTW have just counted and there are 76 active threads on the RF board at the moment. Whoever knew that he and his hateful , spiteful wife were so evil, worse than Rose West as Camilla's chum Clarkson said. 😡

A more in sorrow than in anger article in the Guardian moved me amongst the madness of a bloods up British media pack in full cry.

www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/jan/08/harry-the-interview-review-so-horribly-sad-it-could-have-turned-the-queen-anti-monarchy

In response to questions about how all that he has done, and is now doing, squares with his wish for privacy, Harry says he has tried all other available, private avenues to get his family and/or the institution (he doesn’t, as Diana did, call it The Firm, but the intimation is the same) to protect and support him but they have declined – or rather, denied the need to do so.

He is charming, articulate, and – unless the Windsor clan has reared a world-class actor – telling us the truth as he sees it. In PR terms, it will surely serve its purpose. The book will sell in its millions, his story will appeal to the younger demographic, bolster his celebrity and maybe allow him a more manageable kind of fame than the one he was born into – which is probably his best hope at this point.

Speaking as a member of an older demographic who remembers Harry and William being born, Diana’s death, the funeral and all the rest of it, it left me only with a great sorrowful weariness: for all that has been done wrong, all that has been lost and how, in the end, how sad and ordinary every little life, however gilded, can be.

She's right.

It's quite a sight to behold.

@vera99 I saw that while looking for the ITV interview I can watch from the US.

That looks like a glowing review to me.

Can't understand it myself. There are awful people in the world, who don't receive anywhere near the amount of vitriol. No-one here knows her, it's just vile to be tearing someone apart online for no reason

I'm 66 and have never seen anything like it. It's been going on for years now. Murderers don't get this much abuse

The British establishment didn't manage to have one of the richest and powerful empires the world has ever known,and post its downfall a major power and financial centre without knowing some cunning and clever ways to hold onto that power by both overt and covert means. The institution of the RF is an important part of creating that narrative and providing a sense of national identity and focus. The Queen coming to the throne as a young, beautiful newly wed provided that in spades and grew to be the very embodiment of what Britain was / and or wished it you be. With her death the task is to transfer that legitimacy to Charles and his successors.A difficult task made ever more difficult in the world where we can know nearly everything just a click away. Poor old Harry senses that power and wants to leave the cage and find freedom in his own way. If they had accommodated him half way and as the spare left him some leeway this could probably have been averted. But they didn't and now here we with a mostly compliant media feeding the beast to save the heir. It may work for a lot of folk but plenty more are finding it frankly disgusting. It diminishes us all hopefully this is the beginning of the end for the monarchy and we the people can put them out of their collective misery and let them live private lives as super rich citizens in their own terms.

I think if the internet had been around in 1880 Lindy Chamberlain would have received this much vitriol at least in Australia, and probably UK and possibly USA. ‘The dingoe’s got my baby” is a cry that was heard nearly all around the world. So much ugliness in Australian society became very evident. She was ‘evil’ ‘unnatural’ etc.. As well as being a woman she belonged to a minor, (in Australia), religion that people regarded with suspicion simply because they were uninformed about it. That’s about as close to ‘witch’ as you get.

My child was only a little older than her baby Azaria, and I remember thinking that I didn’t know if she was guilty or not, but that any woman in Australia could be subject to the same abuse given the right circumstances. It was about ‘evil woman’. Body language ‘experts’ used the fact that she did not cry in court as ‘evidence’ of her guilt. I read later that she did cry. Of course she was eventually exonerated, but the cost to her was immeasurable.

Of course, no one remembers thinking and saying she was guilty which is usually the way of things.

Down through history, globally, we see the same old terrifying story happen again and again. With women as victims. And the reasons for the abuse don’t have to be as extreme as a missing baby.

It's rose tinted glasses isn't ,it
People r forget that there was a time when Charles was very unpopular,particularly when his marriage broke down and all.the stuff about Camilla came out ,lots of people wanting him to abdicate in favour of William ,and after Diana,s death.even the Queen was unpopular with the public
For not coming straight back to London
twenty years ago had the British public been asked how they felt about Camilla being Queen consort,I can't imagine they would have been quite so enthusiastic about it as they are now .

The McCanns have entered the chat.

Indeed that's why they waited for several years after Diana died before they got married.

That was such an awful story. Amanda Knox is another person.. There was no evidence, the police office in charge openly admitted he was biased against her because she didn't seem like a 'nice girl's and the perpetrator has even said she had nothing to with it. There are still people who thinks she's guilty.

I don’t know when the Royal topic was started, but threads in this topic go back to 2011, so if anyone wants to go back and check what MNers have been talking about, the information is available.

I think it would be genuinely interesting to study peaks and troughs of engagement over the past decade.

I’m going to report my post, because I think MN have some interesting data available, and I’d love somebody to study it.

Funnily enough I clicked on page 22 when the topic first started this morning ,interestingly .Kate,didn't seem quite as popular then and certainly not the sainted,Kate some posters would like to believe ,also there was a thread about wether Camilla would ever be Queen consort ,and one poster was adamant they wouldn't be and get here we are ....

It was started in 2011 in response to the Royal Wedding that year, following popular request by MNetters

I've been posting in there ever since it started.

Threads generally weren't moved there compulsorily until quite recently.

The reporter isn't quite accurate - there was never a McCann topic. Also Justine called the volume of posts deranged (not the actual posts which she said were 90% sensible - which is probably as high or higher than for any subject)

Justine is right. The sheer volume and intensity of some posters' output is pretty unhinged.

The sheer volume and intensity of some posters' output is pretty unhinged

I would agree with that too

Yes, and by Justine's own estimate it's no more than 10% of it.

And it all gets modded to the same standard as the rest of the site.

Harry's book so far has been filtered through the media so thousands of people who won't bother to read it, will think they know all about it - because of what the sun and the daily mail told them it said. Complete lack of critical thinking combined with blind devotion to the monarchy. I'm not a fan of harry and meghan but what they've been subjected to for trying is ridiculous
This. People should watch and read for themselves, but so many wont and just read the cherry picked shit and spin in the tabloids instead

I'm neutral to both of them, but all the vitriol and twisting just for saying their side is insane.

'Justine is right. The sheer volume and intensity of some posters' output is pretty unhinged.'

and the way certain posters turn on people they perceive to be supporting them

that is because mumsnet is so very big!

I think a lot of people tuned into itv. And Netflix.

The book is but one part of it

And I don't know that you can preserve dignity/blame the media when you start talking about your frozen todger.

That was going to go viral without the aid of the Mail and was never going to get anything but ridicule.

Some of the content clearly go so far, it was going to create forehead slapping moments of people going 'wtf are you thinking here'.

Harry is clearly capable of doing this all on his own without the evil press. Blaming the evil press is the response of realising that you've created a PR disaster on your own.

Great post .

If you look at some of the more unhinged 'god save muh king' posts here and elsewhere there is a definite need to cling to the 'royals' to kid themselves that the empire isn't long gone and the UK isnt becoming a poor country with crumbling services