Princess Kate? Princess Anne? Princess Diana?

[BradfordGirl]

Why is it viewed by so many as disrespectful to refer to Kate as Princess Kate, and yet talking about Princess Anne or Princess Diana is seen as normal and acceptable?

It’s obviously not a big deal to most people. But if that’s the world you live in it’s likely something that would matter to most.

Oh I didn't phrase that well. What does it actually signify?

Prince Philip was a Prince in his own right, his father was King Andrew of Greece and but he relinquished his Greek royal titles to become a British Subject and on marriage became HRH Duke of Edinburgh. Not sure when he became a British Prince.

He was also a great great grandchild of Queen Victoria. His DNA was used to help verify the skeletons found in a mass grave were the Romanov Royal family because he was descended via the maternal line rather than the Queen who was descended via the paternal line.

I have also wondered what would happen if Charles never married Camilla and she just remained his romantic partner? Obviously if that was the case, he would still be King today just like he is now, but I take it Camilla wouldn’t be Queen Consort? I assume the position of Queen Consort under Charles reign would just remain vacant just like the consort position of the late Queen’s reign was vacant when Prince Philip died?

Prince Philip was the son of Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark. His father was not King.

Isn’t HRH their title so instead of Mr, Mrs, Dr, Prof etc. as Diana went from HRH Diana, Princess of Wales to Diana, Princess of Wales.?

Part of the reason I think the press and public use Princess incorrectly is because before her marriage Diana was Lady Diana in her own right = Lady Di, so it was just adapted to Princess Di. I don’t recall the Duchess of York being called Princess Sarah, nor a Princess Sophie, they both became Duchesses on marriage so it’s only really with Catherine, and then Meghan, that the incorrect use of Princess has been adopted.

The only person I can think of who has married into the Royal family and is correctly called Princess, is Princess Michael of Kent.

To be a bitch, one of the reasons I hope H & M keep their Duke & Duchess titles is because they would then become Prince and Princess Harry. Obviously everyone would adopt Princess Meghan and for some reason that feels far more marketable.

HRH basically just denotes higher/highest status within the hierarchy, in relation to the Monarch.

The more unusual title atm is Camilla's. Her predecessors were all just HM The Queen, without the addendum of Consort. Once their husbands died then they were know as Queen Alexandra, Queen Mary etc.

Yes that was done because of the strength of feeling in some quarters about C & C and Diana. It’s a description of the position she holds, rather than the title usually used - all queens who are not regnant are queen consorts, they’re just usually called Queen.

That is true BUT Alexandra, after becoming Queen after the death of a long reigning Queen regnant (Victoria) found it very hard to adjust to being ‘the Queen’. For a short period of time I think she still ‘kept’ Princess of Wales, which had after all been her name for decades.

For a while, if anyone says ‘the Queen’ we all still think of QE2. So I think the media use consort as an easy way to remind everyone.

The HRH title separates the royal family from the rest of British nobility. The loss of the title meant that Diana would have to curtsey to those with the title, including her ex-husband, her ex-in-laws, and even her own sons.

No, she was not HRH Diana, Princess of Wales. She was HRH The Princess of Wales, and then, post-divorce Diana, Princess of Wales.

Apparently the Queen wanted her to retain her HRH status. It was Charles who insisted she lose it. Paul Burrell wrote that William comforted her over this loss at the time, and promised to restore it to her when he became king.

It's not the media, it's her official title on the royal family website.

I know it sounds weird to hear someone else referred to as The Queen but that's the nature of monarchy. The king is dead, long live the king!

Elizabeth Bowes Lyon retained the title Queen Elizabeth after George VI death, but with the addition of The Queen Mother to denote her different status to her daughter, the actual monarch.

That’s also because they were both Queen Elizabeth.

Yes, the QM is an exception to the rule. Though she wasn't the first Queen Elizabeth whose daughter was also Queen Elizabeth!

Philip was made Duke of Edinburgh just before he married the then Princess Elizabeth. He was known as the Duke of Edinburgh until the Queen made him Prince, which wasn't until after Charles and Anne had been born.

Generally the royal princes have been given Dukedoms on yhe eve of their marriage partly in order that their wives can be known as Duchess of X rather than 'Princess Andrew' or 'Princess Edward'.

'Lady Di' or simply 'Di' was used by the press well after she married Charles, and after the divorce. Ditto Sarah being known as 'Fergie'.

But both Elizabeth Woodville and Elizabeth of York were consorts, so I suppose a slightly different situation than being the mother of the monarch, although it would be interesting to know how they were differentiated in average conversation at the time. Interesting point.

@Create10 my history may not be correct but wasn’t Elizabeth of York a Queen in her own right. Her father was king and her brothers had disappeared (murdered?) so as his heir was she not technically the Queen making Elizabeth Woodville also The Queen Mother?

Marrying Henry VII united the two houses (York and Lancaster) so really they should have ruled together.

She should've been @Princessglittery but she wasn't. She was only queen on account of being married to Henry VII. They weren't joint monarchs like William and Mary.

And therefore, there was also, unusually, a King’s Mother who was not a Queen.

Prince Philip was technically a commoner right before his marriage because he had relinquished his Greek and Danish titles and was simply Lt. Philip Mountbatten. Upon marrying the then Princess Elizabeth, King George VI created him HRH The Duke of Edinburgh, but neglected to make him a prince. The Queen corrected that by making him a prince of the UK in 1957.

Henry VII made a point of making sure her status was consort because his own claim to the throne was very tenuous, unlike hers. He wanted everyone to understand that he was not claiming the throne though her.

I was talking theoretically. The marriage was probably a political one on Henry’s part as a pp said to shore up his claim. He definitely wasn’t going to share power like William and Mary.

I have a history degree @SenecaFallsRedux so I'm aware of all that!

Because she is a duchess, which outranks a princess