Will the RF ever respond?

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Never complain, never explain. But do we think there will be a time that someone will have to say something? The whole thing is just so, so sad 💔 I feel dreadfully sorry for KC

Oh I love all rhe Pomp and ceremony, it’s what we do well and what brings the tourists in, I can’t think of anything worse than a mundane boring arse functional only monarchy,

give me uniforms and horses. And big spectacular events all day long.

Me too. I’d be so upset if all that went. And who’s 82?

The 82yr old referred to will likely be Lady Susan who so misjudged her conversation with the women's charity representative.

I didn’t understand the fall out from this. Where we live, my MIL’s maternal culture of when introducing yourself, part of the long introduction is to say where you come from and who your family are/were. It’s not considered an insult for someone to ask where you originally came from…

what a confusing world we all now live in!

I agree there are many confusions. I’m not against some ceremonies snd I didn’t say I wanted it all to go. However there are too many unearned uniforms, rules and protocol and actually not enough understanding of what a constitutional monarch actually is. We have no idea how the monarchy brings in tourists. Most tourists go to countries regardless of a monarchy or not. They factor in a bit of pomp here if they are around at the time. Otherwise they don’t see a Royal snd Buck House is hardly open! If ceremonies were slimmed down (and Charles’s coronation will be) no tourist would really care or even know. 6000 less people are going to the May coronation as opposed to his mother’s. We pay a huge amount for all of this and we could do with spending less and more accountability.

Of course, I’d completely forgotten about her. I was trying to identify a member of the RF that age. I think her age is completely irrelevant, we didn’t moan about trotting out the 96 year old Queen to meet people.

The ceremony is definitely part of the tourist draw and it would be very sad if it went. I don’t want the RF in suits for state events and set pieces, like the Trooping of the Colour, the uniforms are glorious in a Ruritanian kind of way and where’s the cost? They’re only paid for once and last for decades after all.

There may be 6000 fewer people in the Abbey than in 1953 but London will be rammed for the coronation. It’s not as if we have one every week.

Notanotheroneagain

This !
The rf also kept their wet mouths shut when Clarkson had his article after meeting Camilla. While a lot of people complained.
No HMQE around anymore to get away with insulting statements like 'recollections may vary'. Harry will fight back this time.

I totally disagree with this.

H & M made a cheap allegation of racism on international TV about...some mystery individual. Very easy to do - if you don't name them, then more or less everyone comes under suspicion. Ethically appalling, I think. And as for Oprah! Call herself an interviewer?? Instead of responding 'That's a VERY serious allegation...could you be more precise?'....what did she say? 'WHAAAT?' with a affected over-emphasis and well-rehearsed shocked expression.

We only have their word for it. The whole topic was never subjected to scrutiny - and I wonder why? I've come across people in real life who gossip and claim that 'someone' said something bad, but of course then go coy and refuse to name them so that everyone is tainted.

I really don't know how anyone cannot see how cheap this was.

Personally, I think HMQ's response was a model of incredibly restraint.

So CulturePigeon, would you agree that Harry was a 'model of incredibly restraint' when he chose not to fight Willy back in the kitchen of Nottingham Cottage, and again in the grounds of Windsor? Especially given that he could have flattened Willy as almost all previous posters have said.

Incidentally Harry has not 'told all' by any means. He's withheld a number of extremely damaging facts about at least one prominent member of the rf. That may be for moral or for less moral reasons; we won't know until he chooses to disclose those details, if indeed he ever does.

@goodbyestranger
We only have “Harold’s” word for that. We have one side of that story.

@Blossomtoes
The Queen was the Queen. She could not be dusotnsed with. Older people who attend functions on behalf of the RF are utterly different. They really must be briefed on what not to ask! Especially in this day and age. That’s why they need to modernise.

Tizer it's open to William to contest any facts, in court if he feels he's been misrepresented such that his reputation has taken a hit. Happy to bet my mortgage on the fact that he won't go there. The lawyers for Penguin will have been all over this with a toothcomb.

The Queen was the Queen. She could not be dusotnsed with. Older people who attend functions on behalf of the RF are utterly different. They really must be briefed on what not to ask! Especially in this day and age.

Surely that applies to anyone in that position? Age is irrelevant.

I hope they don't respond, and I don't think they will. They have a family member who at best has lost his way, at worst may be heading for a mental health crisis. I think they will want to avoid public comment and try to bring him back into the family fold to help him deal with it privately. Easier said than done when he feels he is entirely the wronged party, but in saying he wants to reconcile it seems he is at least open to the idea.

It's bizarre that Harry is open to the idea. Both his father and brother slag off his wife. His dad jokes about James Hewitt being his real dad. His brother punches him at intervals. His 70+ year old dad still sleeps with a teddy. They are all fucked up and Harry to my mind seems a great deal more sane and grounded than either of those two.

Two things: people are fallible and we only have Harry's perspective so far. It's natural he should want to stay on good terms with his family. He needs more than just his wife to support him, especially as their backgrounds are so different.

If he wants to be on good terms with his family he’s got a very odd way of going about it.

@goodbyestranger
Harry was punched at intervals? Have I missed something?

They clearly have not been able to cope with Harry but neither did they force a Nazi uniform on him, make him snort cocaine or have sex in a field. Wrongs on both sides I think and I’ve always thought Charles was a fool, in many ways. The unfortunate truth is that some of this lies at the door of the Queen and Philip. Charles didn’t have the greatest time growing up but seemed resigned to his fate, including a wife chosen for him by all accounts. Yes, parents fuck you up! He wasn’t capable of saying what he wanted.

@Blossomtoes
Yes. Indeed everyone should be briefed and trained. But it’s easier if you don’t have a long life behind you where asking questions about where people come from is the norm. Aged people can be set in their ways. I see it in my very old mother. It’s also a wider point about being fit for a job, whether you are paid or not. It’s reasonable to expect people to move on. The RF simply don’t need a loose cannon representing them or indeed in the USA.

I think DD1 still has her teddy bear. Should I take it from her? Worried now!

Ok Tizer, that was shorthand: Willian knocked Harry to the floor (could have been a punch or a push I guess). Then after Philip's funeral William got aggy again and grabbed Harry's shirt a couple of times. He's clearly prone to violent outbursts at the very least. Look at the clip of Charles's and the stinking pen - not hard to see where he gets it from.

@Blossomtoes I agree, but I'm assuming he's lashing out. Exceptionally unfortunate that he's done it in public, for all sorts of reasons, not least the innocent parties who have been dragged into it. I include Meghan and their kids in that category.

Tizer DD3 also has her duck, given on the day of her birth. But then she's not seventy plus and doesn't insist on her partner tucking Duck (yes Duck is duck's name) into her bed each night with Duck's feet peeping over the duvet just so.

Of course he isn't having a breakdown- he's just dense, privileged, self-centred, in thrall to a manipulative, power-hungry wife. They are both bitter and greedy for money and this is his way of earning it; a book that exposes pointless rubbish that he knows ordinary people will buy.

Ok Tizer, that was shorthand:

It wasn’t shorthand, it was misrepresention. Harold is apparently pretty vague about how he ended up in the dog bowl. He’s also pretty vague about the post funeral episode. No mention of how the saintly Harold might have provoked him - which I bet he did - brothers know exactly how to push each others’ buttons. As for the stinking pen - it would have been thrown on the floor if it had been me.

None of that is what I have seen in the bit in the papers. Your interpretation is ridiculous.

And come to think of it doesn't Andrew also have a batshit fetish for multiple soft toys arranged just so? metro.co.uk/2022/01/18/sketch-of-exactly-where-prince-andrews-teddy-bears-had-to-go-on-bed-15935966/

It's just astonishing that we are expected to respect these people.

Mine is not an interpretation. All those things are taken direct from extracts of the book and cited in the press. No interpretation needed.