They announced the pregnancy at Eugenie’s wedding

[Legrandetraitor]

I fucking told everyone this at the time! Everyone was like “no way, the press are just being mean to Meghan she would never do that”

Harry has confirmed she did.

DICK MOVE from the two of them. I can see the MN thread now “it was my wedding and my bastard cousin stood up and announced the pregnancy and stole my limelight”

I went to a wedding early pregnancy - and didn't drink. All our table sussed, simply because no drink. I'm sure word got round as later others not on our table congratulated but it wasn't like we stood up and announced it as part of the wedding speeches.

And by all accounts neither did H&M.

@Ariela

I managed it, nursed a glass of champagne at the reception, got a glass of wine poured at the meal but never touched it, said my son was a little under the weather at home and while my parents could cope, I just wanted to be able to leave if needed.

It really wasn’t that hard 🤷‍♀️

Normally they are supporters but they reform the same function .

www.marieclaire.co.uk/news/celebrity-news/prince-harry-speech-william-kate-middleton-wedding-duchess-cry-770085

www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/celebs-tv/prince-harrys-best-man-speech-5351602.amp

Clearly recollections vary .

I always assumed they’d quietly told a couple of family members as they were about to depart on their tour, it was the last time they’d see them before going, and they knew the news would come out on tour so wanted to be the ones to tell them. This was her in Fiji… absolutely no denying it in that photo…

That was my plan but I didn't have a reason to drive - no other kids, no ill relatives , other relatives present, and staying over at the venue. I was 'on antibiotics' so refusing wine - but when it's people that know you well and you've not long got wed....

Thank you @Loveinacandle for your reply and confirming what I thought you were saying but wasn’t 100% sure. As said, I would agree that in reading many of the articles it needs to be remembered that many of them have an agenda in how they report what information is coming out from leaks on the book and so it would be wise to reserve full judgement until someone reads the book itself. For example I read an article reporting on the fight between William and Harry that Harry covers in the book where a ‘source’ says Harry writes William said to him at the time of the fight quoted from the book ‘Meg is difficult, she's rude, she's abrasive.’ The source then in the next sentence says William says ‘She’s been rude to the staff’. However, until I see the passage in the book I am not clear whether the words ‘She’s been rude to the staff’ were also a direct quote from the book or the source’s words. If Harry says in the book William did say too the words Meghan has been rude to the staff then I think that paints Meghan in an unfavourable light and Harry too as it is showing he unable to see if Meghan was rude to staff it is not surprising William doesn’t like that. However, if the sentences in the book are just William says Meghan is rude, difficult and abrasive with no further info then the reader may never be informed in detail why William thinks that of Meghan. Articles on this fight does report Harry told William after he said this that William only thinks that as he is influenced by how the papers frame her. I found that a bit odd as surely William’s opinion is formed from interacting with her but I would need to read the passage on the incident directly from the book to get a clearer picture than what has been reported third hand by the press so far.

Regarding your question is Harry showing some self reflection in the book, I would say yes to his sharing of his drug taking etc but until I read the book I don’t know whether he shows any self reflection in his role in the fall out with his family. As we know in fall outs all usually carry some blame as well as legitimate grievances. Articles are framing it as he is not taking any responsibility, but again I think the book needs to be read until making an opinion of that.

So all in all I think you are right that we should take the framing in many news reports of events reported in the book as potentially painting H and M in the worse light. So until reading the book itself it’s probably safe to reserve opinion on what has been reported so far. If I am honest I haven’t always reserved judgement from what I have read in the papers this week and your comments have reminded me that I need to read the book itself before forming my opinions on it all - and of course once reading the book remembering it is only one side’s version of the events. I hadn’t planned to read the book as a lot of it I don’t think I am that interested in, but after all of this I might read it to guard against me being possibly manipulated by this week’s coverage.

This was taken at the end of October (two weeks after Eugenie’s wedding and she’s flat as a board).
How bizarre

I’m not sure why it’s such a big deal. My SIL announced her pregnancy at my wedding and it was just wonderful, every single guest was beaming from ear to ear. I couldn’t imagine being so filled with negativity that someone else’s good news would make me sad on my wedding day

Why the hell are people calling him Harold?

Nickname William calls him, revealed in book.
Harold and Willy

@Loveinacandle, sorry I forgot there was just one more thing I wanted to say in my above reply to your answer to my question. You say it’s easy to put all the blame on Meghan, the older American, non white female. I think you are right she is probably getting a disproportionate amount of the blame - although Harry is getting a fair amount - without perhaps people willing to take on all sides probably play their part in the sad fall out in the family. I am not so sure that a large part of this is due to racism, which certain voices claim, I think there is some racism, but I think more of it is snobbery and anti American Hollywood prejudice plus a large helping of misogyny from the U.K. tabloids. Yes, Catherine is female too but our U.K. tabloids do have a history of laying into the newest female marrying into the Royal family. One caveat of me saying I don’t think racism plays a large part in the negative coverage, though as said I do think there is some, I know as I am white I may not pick up some subtle forms of racism.

It's the New Very Hilarious Mumsnet Saying.

I like the name, 'Harold'. King Harald lll of Norway, known as Harald Hardrada, was a top bloke apparently despite he and his bro being defeated in battle by King Cnut ...... Cnut is a novel name.

Where were we?

I agree with you, I don’t think it is all racism but I do think it plays a big part, not helped by her being American, and a woman. She may or may not be a cow but the level of hatred towards her is in my opinion, disproportionate to what we actually know.

I think we share not dissimilar views apart from the other things I mentioned I believe play a larger part than the racism that is sadly there to a smaller degree. These other things - snobbery, misogyny - also reflect badly on the tabloids. I will reserve final judgement until I read the book - and if I don’t get round to reading it - remind myself there are various agendas in the reporting of the book. Some of the actual sentences said by Harry quoted from the book show him being contradictory and lacking in self awareness, but I know as said I would need to read the book in full before forming a full opinion as much as one can with only hearing one side and not being part of the events.

As also said, I think all sides of the family fall out will have legitimate grievances and so it shouldn’t all be blamed on Harry and Meghan and all sides will have made mistakes. On a human level it is sad to see a family fall out so badly.

Bit unfair. I’d had two miscarriages before I managed to hold on to my third pregnancy. I only told people about the previous miscarriages once I was pretty confident I was going to have my baby. If I hadn’t managed to have my child, I doubt I’d have ever told anyone about the miscarriages at all. It does give some people hope when they hear about rainbow babies.

Is it really that big a deal to not drink at a wedding that if you don't the only explanation is you must be pregnant? I'm not teetotal or anything but not fussed about alcohol-I'd be mortified if people asked or speculated I might be pregnant just because I wasn't having an alcoholic drink, in fact I can't imagine anyone being that rude. Isn't it a no-no to ask someone if they're pregnant anyway?

I would avoid doing this simply because I know there are brides who would take offence, but I personally would be delighted if someone announced their pregnancy at my wedding, and would privately think at least a little bit poorly of anyone who got angry about this.

Did he say anything about how the RF reacted? I'd be surprised if they were upset.

I noticed that. He tells us William thinks she’s rude and abrasive, but doesn’t tell us why he thinks that. It’s clear it’s linked to the bullying claims. He tells us about rhe baby brain comment, he tells us rhe pregnancy was announced at rhe wedding, most folks wait to 12 weeks, announcing at 6 weeks at someone’s wedding is quite odd.

but he does it to himself too. He tells us William pushed him and he fell over. He does not tell us what he was saying to William in the lead up to that. Obviously he was saying something and something bad.

as much as he’s tried to paint them both as innocent victims, he’s let enough slip to know they are not.

I can’t imagine using my cousins wedding to announce I’m six weeks pregnant or dressing in such a way that I could fake look it.

it’s all such odd behaviour. I mean he stood arguing with his father that he wanted Meghan present when the queen was dying. No regard for his grandmother , who any idiot would know she’d not want Meghan peering at her on her death bed, but only her closest family, but he wanted her there.

who does that Shit?

It's objectively rude, even if there are a handful of people who claim they'd actively love it happening, and it just isn't done.

I appreciate you wouldn't do it and you're keeping your thoughts to yourself in real life, but really...it's egregiously nasty. Even if you would just love it to happen to you, it's so far off the social norm and what is widely accepted as decorous that you should take it as an insult on those grounds alone. Because it is.

Making an official speech would be be beyond weird. But if you mentioned it in a conversation and word got around, that wouldn't be weird at all.

Most people I know think of weddings as, in part, an excuse for families to get together, and it is natural for family news to get shared.

A bride getting all flouncy about My! Special!! Day!!! would be looked down on, among most people I know. Perhaps it's a class or regional thing?

I wouldn't have minded this. Maybe Eugenie didn't either if the couples are close. We only know/think that Fergie was annoyed. That said, I would never have done this myself because of the Friends episode!