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I'm feeling a bit sorry for Harry

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ssd · 06/01/2023 12:21

I feel like he needs his mum more than ever. To put an arm round him and say "enough son".

He needs guidance, he's never had maternal guidance. Its well documented that Williams life has been really enhanced by Kates parents. Harry has never had that and i feel sorry for him.

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Maireas · 12/05/2023 22:00

I think others are definitely profiting from his pique. He's probably feeling very vindicated with all the awards and articles and chat shows at the moment. Is it sustainable? How much more can he say? It's all a nightmare but I'm going to use prince and princess for my own children because being royal is a birthright, not a millstone?

ArcaneWireless · 13/05/2023 00:05

I will never understand why someone who clearly feels the institution is a burden would shackle his children to the institution he seemed to eventually to despise.

Birthright it may be but it seems a touch at odds with what he has had to say. Unless it will come in handy to open doors further down the line. Table for two at 8? Mais oui Princess…

I don’t think pique is sustainable. There usually comes a point that most would think ‘oh give ower’ and sigh whenever they hear the name of those piquing.

More so when you only get to hear one side.

Time to find a purpose or a job and move forward.

MamoruHisaishi · 13/05/2023 00:43

ArcaneWireless · 13/05/2023 00:05

I will never understand why someone who clearly feels the institution is a burden would shackle his children to the institution he seemed to eventually to despise.

Birthright it may be but it seems a touch at odds with what he has had to say. Unless it will come in handy to open doors further down the line. Table for two at 8? Mais oui Princess…

I don’t think pique is sustainable. There usually comes a point that most would think ‘oh give ower’ and sigh whenever they hear the name of those piquing.

More so when you only get to hear one side.

Time to find a purpose or a job and move forward.

Because Harry is obsessed with the institution, and refuses to let go because he knows that's all he has when it comes to relevancy. No one cares about harry except for his royal connections. He's not smart, talented, charismatic, funny, or a born leader. The only issue that harry has is he wasn't born first or treated like the heir. That's it. He's jealous of his brother because not only is he the heir, he also looks like diana, and is also smarter than him, and because Diana confided in him.

KattyJo · 13/05/2023 09:00

I think the latest coronation pictures really cement Harry (and Andrew's) positions within the family moving forward

Samcro · 13/05/2023 09:39

KattyJo · 13/05/2023 09:00

I think the latest coronation pictures really cement Harry (and Andrew's) positions within the family moving forward

true. A is going to be seen more I think.

SidekickSylvia · 13/05/2023 09:47

Samcro · 13/05/2023 09:39

true. A is going to be seen more I think.

I don't think Andrew will be seen more, because I don't think Charles has much time for him. A's daughters seem to be a bit more high profile recently though.

KattyJo · 13/05/2023 10:00

Andrew was excluded from the photos, but all his siblings appeared.

Maireas · 13/05/2023 10:04

Andrew will not be seen more, that's for sure, no matter how much he wants to be.

KrasiTime · 13/05/2023 10:05

Samcro · 13/05/2023 09:39

true. A is going to be seen more I think.

That’s interesting that you think that, I took away from all the coronation photos that Andrew would be seen less not more. Time will tell.

ArcaneWireless · 13/05/2023 10:47

I too think Andrew is going to be seen a lot less. (Not sorry about that really)

Probably the same with Harry.

Roussette · 13/05/2023 10:52

I think Andrew will not be taking on royal duties as such but I think he will be front and centre in literally any possible ceremony, service, royal tradition, that he can possibly be.
After all, reports said he wouldn't be dressed in the Order of the Garter garb at the Coro. But he was. He was all decked out and sat in front of Harry who was in a suit. I think that shows what will happen in the future. No royal duties, the public won't stomach it, but total acceptance within the family and its different ceremonies.

skullbabe · 13/05/2023 11:07

Samcro · 13/05/2023 09:39

true. A is going to be seen more I think.

I know it’s off topic but the robes at the coronation cemented where they have positioned Andrew.

skullbabe · 13/05/2023 11:10

I think giving him invictus

Interesting - who gave him the Invictus Games?

Samcro · 13/05/2023 11:13

i don't think its off topic. how they treat A , shows why H might behave how he does.
he is mad out to be worse than A and didn't get to dress up.
yet A did!!! it does point out that H has been treated worse that A who has actually paid of a trafficked woman.

Roussette · 13/05/2023 11:18

skullbabe · 13/05/2023 11:07

I know it’s off topic but the robes at the coronation cemented where they have positioned Andrew.

Totally agree. It's a small step towards acceptance within royal ceremonies. To stand on the balcony would've been one step too far at this point in time but who knows in the future. And him not moving out of Royal Lodge, that's gone very quiet, won't happen. I presume there are deals being struck behind doors about what he can do or can't do. But memories fade don't they?

Look at Camilla. No one would've thought decades ago she would be crowned Queen!

And I agree with @Samcro

Howsimplywonderful · 13/05/2023 11:21

If Andrew has an order of the garter which entitles him to dress in robes can it be removed if he hasn’t been convicted of a crime.

While KC may want to remove it, the courts may decide he can’t. Andrew doesn’t seem the type to stop using it for the good of the monarchy

skullbabe · 13/05/2023 11:23

Samcro · 13/05/2023 11:13

i don't think its off topic. how they treat A , shows why H might behave how he does.
he is mad out to be worse than A and didn't get to dress up.
yet A did!!! it does point out that H has been treated worse that A who has actually paid of a trafficked woman.

I read an interesting comment - not sure where - interpreting Harry and Andrew’s relationship to the RF in the context of the mafia omertà code and it is fascinating. If you look at things through that lens - Harry’s crimes of involving outside authority(courts) and speaking up are absolutely worse than Andrew’s transgressions as there is nothing worse in omertà than being a snitch.

Roussette · 13/05/2023 11:27

Oh yes @skullbabe ! I can't remember if it was you who talked of this quite a while ago, and I looked into it. Harry didn't keep it within the family. He broke the code of silence. That's what the trouble is.

Samcro · 13/05/2023 11:36

that is shocking really. and it doesn't bode well for the future. I do hope I am wrong and he fades away. but the coronation did prove to me that H has been treated unfairly. its not like his parents didn't break the silent rule.

KrasiTime · 13/05/2023 11:39

Gosh that’s a great observation @skullbabe one I hadn’t thought of. If KC allows Andrew back into having a role then he’s a fool.

skullbabe · 13/05/2023 12:05

KattyJo · 10/05/2023 10:32

Response to the Moehringer piece by Hilary Rose in the Times:

So now we know. If we are to believe Prince Harry’s ghostwriter, JR Moehringer, the five-year ginger whinge fest is because people thought he was a bit thick and his mum died. So to be clear, the Oprah interview, the hours of Netflix, the 400-page book, the endless swipes and grotesque indiscretions and freelance royal nonsense, it isn’t about making millions and building Brand Harry. It definitely isn’t because he’s one of those people who want to have the last word, all the time, everywhere. It isn’t because he’s spent too much time staring at his navel while the rest of us go to work. No, the whinge fest was because people “belittled his intellectual capabilities” and his mum died. Thirty years and living happily ever after in California evidently isn’t enough to get over it and move on.
Moehringer's account in The New Yorker of how he tackled the writing of Spare gives us an insight into quite how tedious it would have been if Harry had written it himself. This is a grown man whose specialist subject is apparently Moana “and his favourite scene is when Heihei the silly chicken gets lost at sea”. What Harry wants isn’t to tell the truth, as Moehringer claims, it’s revenge. Think about it: slagging off his family is a funny way of proving how clever he is and it definitely won’t bring his mum back.

“Even at the most peripheral moments of his life, his central tragedy intrudes,” Moehringer writes about Diana’s death. Harry wanted Spare to be “a rebuttal to every lie ever published about him . . . he dreams of endless retractions”. For the love of God, man, don’t read it! Lots of people have grim childhoods with divorced or dead parents. Very few of them have the privileges Harry had.

And besides, he doesn’t want to rebut all the “lies”. He wants to edit out his own lack of judgment in playing strip billiards with strangers in Vegas, or wearing a Nazi uniform to a fancy dress party. Spare, Moehringer writes, was “Harry’s comeback” but he at first “wasn’t sure how much he wanted to say”. He seems to have got over that pretty well. There were tears in his eyes at the publication party, apparently because it felt incredible to have the “truth” out there. There were probably tears in his father’s eyes as well, and his grandmother would have turned in her grave, but hey-ho, eh?

“The way he’d been treated by both strangers and intimates was grotesque,” Moehringer writes, but Harry’s self-obsession is epic. We’ve all been let down and traduced. That’s life. He’s also being a tad disingenuous when he adds that a memoir is “a particular series of events chosen because they have the greatest resonance for the widest range of people”. Come on. Not many people will resonate with being thumped by a prince in a palace and smashing a dog bowl.

But what I find odd is this. Harry goes on and on about the living hell that is being royal, the sheer unrelenting intolerable awfulness of it, but William and Kate seem to live very nice lives. By and large, nobody bothers them when they’re not on duty. Contrary to what Meghan once claimed, there are no banks of paparazzi waiting in the bushes of rural Berkshire to ambush them on their way to school every day. They brush up well for high days and holidays, then they go back to normal life. They spent the weekend in robes and jewels and on Tuesday they took the kids to school. They stand on the touchline at sports matches. They go on nice holidays. They dress up for film premieres and wear jewels and tiaras but, for the most part, they spend their days bringing up their children and doing interesting things with interesting people, talking about subjects that interest them.

“Telling is how we cement details, preserve continuity, stay sane,” Moehringer writes, defending Harry’s score-settling. Oh, please. No, it is not. Most of us don’t have a publishing deal or a slot with Oprah, or a streaming giant paying to “tell our story” and “stay sane”. For most of us, cracking on is how we do it. You should try it, Harry. You might like it. But it won’t sell many books, so I guess you won’t.

I think that is a really mean spirited article - Moehringer wrote a long form article about the skill, time and process involved in ghost writing before delving into his experiences with his latest book. He commented on the process of writing the book, the experience he had when his name was leaked and shared personal anecdotes about the protagonist’s interactions with his daughter - I think that comment about Moana was so breathtakingly spiteful to me - and the protagonist’s wife with his children. The Times writer makes the protagonist the entire focus of this comment piece with nary a mention of Moehringer - the piece de resistance is that final paragraph. It settles the impression that this writer could not engage her fellow writer for his writing but because of her dislike of the protagonist she had to veer into criticism of the protagonist’s actions before and after the book.

Maireas · 13/05/2023 12:21

skullbabe · 13/05/2023 11:10

I think giving him invictus

Interesting - who gave him the Invictus Games?

When he left the army he had a group of advisors supporting him going forward with plans, charity work and projects. I think they got the idea from the Warrior Games elsewhere? Anyway, it was a great idea and he ran with it and it's been a great success.

KattyJo · 13/05/2023 12:25

I think the Times writer has just taken exception to Moehringer’s attempt to present Harry as alternately, an innocent victim who is just ‘telling his story’ or some sort of brave crusader against an unjust institution (who is nevertheless still determined to cling on to any benefits of said institution).

skullbabe · 13/05/2023 12:37

KattyJo · 13/05/2023 12:25

I think the Times writer has just taken exception to Moehringer’s attempt to present Harry as alternately, an innocent victim who is just ‘telling his story’ or some sort of brave crusader against an unjust institution (who is nevertheless still determined to cling on to any benefits of said institution).

Then I think the Times writer didn’t really do a good job because if that was meant as a criticism of Moehringer’s account - it came across as a criticism of Harry himself.

Blip · 13/05/2023 15:37

I'm feeling a bit sorry for Megan now that Harry has been talking about Chelsey Davy being the love of his life and the one who got away.

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