Page 29 | Meghan WAS banned from Balmoral after Queen’s death

SnottyLottie · 2023-01-05T20:48:27+00:00

In his book, Harry also claims that his father told him that Meghan should not come to Balmoral. The Queen was staying at her Scottish estate when she died last September. The prince wrote: "Then my father called again. He told me I was welcome at Balmoral, but… without her. He started to explain his reasons, but they didn't make any sense at all, and it was disrespectful as well. I did not tolerate it from him. "Don't even think about talking about my wife like that. "Repentant, he said, stammering, that he simply didn't want the place to be full of people. Nobody's wife was going to go, not even Kate, he told me, so Meg shouldn't either." source: https://news.sky.com/story/prince-harry-asked-his-father-not-to-marry-camilla-as-moment-he-was-told-about-his-mothers-car-accident-revealed-in-book-12780602

Mañanarama · 07/01/2023 23:09

BradfordGirl · 07/01/2023 23:06

@Blossomtoes The point is you all criticise Harry for not visiting but for everyone else who did not visit that was fine.
I would not care if you were consistent. But it is purely about criticising Harry and Meghan whatever they do.

Most of them HAD visited her in Balmoral that summer, as always. Harry, who was in the country for the first time in months, wasn’t going to bother, god knows why. Probably ashamed by the Oprah debacle.

steff13 · 07/01/2023 23:11

BradfordGirl · 07/01/2023 23:06

@Blossomtoes The point is you all criticise Harry for not visiting but for everyone else who did not visit that was fine.
I would not care if you were consistent. But it is purely about criticising Harry and Meghan whatever they do.

So you don't think that Edward and Andrew Saw the Queen more than Harry did? When you live in a different country from your elderly grandmother and you visit the country where she lives then you stop and visit her. If he lived 5 minutes away then people wouldn't be talking about it.

LittleBearPad · 07/01/2023 23:11

BradfordGirl · 07/01/2023 23:06

@Blossomtoes The point is you all criticise Harry for not visiting but for everyone else who did not visit that was fine.
I would not care if you were consistent. But it is purely about criticising Harry and Meghan whatever they do.

Harry lived thousands of miles away, was in Europe, indeed was in the UK and couldn’t be arses to visit.

The rest of her family were at most a few hundred miles away.

Anyone looking at her meeting Liz Truss etc wouldn’t expect her to be dead 48 hours later.

BradfordGirl · 07/01/2023 23:12

smilesy · 07/01/2023 23:09

Would that not have alerted the whole world to the fact that the Queen didn’t have long to live? Wouldn’t there have been to crews and journalists on some sort of “death watch”? That would have been lovely for the Queen 🙄. It was difficult enough for the family to decide when to go so as not to alert the public to her impending death

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Why would it have alerted the press? Anne managed to do it discreetly. The press do not follow them around. They could still fly out and do some enggements.

Blossomtoes · 07/01/2023 23:12

BradfordGirl · 07/01/2023 23:08

It was very clear from photos taken a few days before that she was deteriorating.
If course all the Royalists were claiming that she was in rude health.

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Those pictures were taken 48 hours before she died. She certainly looked frail but equally certainly didn’t look as if she was at the end. I don’t think any of her family had any reason to think her demise was imminent. My guess is that she went downhill very fast, very quickly.

Mañanarama · 07/01/2023 23:13

BradfordGirl · 07/01/2023 23:08

It was very clear from photos taken a few days before that she was deteriorating.
If course all the Royalists were claiming that she was in rude health.

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She looked very frail and immobile but certainly not at death’s door!

StatisticallyChallenged · 07/01/2023 23:15

The royals normally all spend a couple of weeks at Balmoral over the summer. A quick google throws up an article showing Edward and Charles there in late August, and we know Anne was there too. Another article says Wiliam, Kate and the children flew up then too. So at least some of the others had been to visit her very recently.

PicturesOfDogs · 07/01/2023 23:16

BradfordGirl · 07/01/2023 23:06

@Blossomtoes The point is you all criticise Harry for not visiting but for everyone else who did not visit that was fine.
I would not care if you were consistent. But it is purely about criticising Harry and Meghan whatever they do.

I’m sure if someone else rocked up moaning they weren’t invited, then their actions would be scrutinised too.
Were focusing on him, as he’s the one talking.

I bet he wasn’t even her favourite. He was probably just the one she worried about the most.

Mañanarama · 07/01/2023 23:25

She’d barely seen Harry in the last few years. Only met Lilibet once and Archie a couple of times more than that. Not easy when you move thousands of miles away, of course.

The more I think about it the more awful it is that Harry didn’t arrange to see her while he was in Europe. He could easily have gone up there and I’m sure he deeply regrets not doing so.

toomuchlaundry · 07/01/2023 23:28

But I bet he doesn’t put that regret in his book unless he does by blaming someone else

smilesy · 07/01/2023 23:30

BradfordGirl · 07/01/2023 23:12

Why would it have alerted the press? Anne managed to do it discreetly. The press do not follow them around. They could still fly out and do some enggements.

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Just Anne being there would not arouse suspicion, but if a few of them hung around, I’m pretty certain word would have got out

toomuchlaundry · 07/01/2023 23:32

What do you mean the press don’t follow them around, are you being ironic?

Coxspurplepippin · 07/01/2023 23:34

Most of the Queen's family had been with her at Balmoral at some time over the previous few weeks. Charles, Camilla, Edward, Sophie and their children, William and Kate and their family, Princess Anne.

Nanalisa60 · 07/01/2023 23:39

Harry and Meghan had been in the U.K. for the Jubilee, they could not wait to leave , probably because they got the cold shoulder from most of there family, most likely polity but not much love also a bit of booing from the great British unwashed. Because by this summer who would really want to talk to them as you would just end up being quoted on there next tv interview for money.

The Queen was in Balmoral very soon after her Jubilee , apparently all of her family and some close friends all visited her over the following months at some point. Harry and Meghan would also have been welcomed (without Netflix cameras) as much loved grandson of the Queen.

But they did not bother to visit even when they did come back to U.K. and Europe they could not be bothered to come a see her.

BlackFriday · 08/01/2023 00:22

All this shit about Harry being the "favourite" grandson and Andrew the favourite son really annoys me. It's just bullshit made up by the media (for Andrew) and probably Harry about himself.
As if the Queen really had favourites and even if she did, she's hardly likely to have ever voiced it.

BadgerB · 08/01/2023 06:20

ancientgran · Yesterday 17:41
I don't like being watched, I liked giving birth alone but got bullied by midwives into having DH there for one birth, it wasn't for me.

Totally off topic - sorry- but I so agree! I gave birth to all my children without any "spectators" and preferred it that way.
When it comes to dying - I don't know. Of course I may not be in a position to choose.
And, yes, I'm ancient too

vera99 · 08/01/2023 06:28

With all these bets we should open a bookies....

BadgerB · 08/01/2023 06:30

SylviasMotherSaid · Yesterday 17:52
Harry reminds me a lot of what I’ve read about Kaiser Wilhelm who had major issues with the British Royals and caused a lot of trouble to get to Queen Victoria’s death bed and ran around doing interviews about his thoughts about England and causing a lot of trouble thankfully Harry isn’t an autocratic ruler

I hadn't thought of this but I absolutely agree. The Kaiser's jealousy of his perceived more fortunate, more "royal", more secure, British cousins, is often cited as a cause of WW1.

vera99 · 08/01/2023 06:32

If I remember correctly in the olden days the Archbishop and / or the Lords had to view the consummation of the marriage 💑 to ensure that any issue would be the monarch's...

BadgerB · 08/01/2023 06:40

BradfordGirl · Yesterday 21:26
True. Harry said Charles did not even give him a hug when he told him his mum had died.

Oh, must be true then if Harry said it. The man never known to lie...

milveycrohn · 08/01/2023 06:48

There had been a note in the papers that Charles (staying at Birkhall on the Balmoral estate) was visiting the Queen daily.
That was before she died, so I was not very surprised that she suddenly deteriorated.
P. Anne was also in Scotland for other engagements.

billysboy · 08/01/2023 07:08

Princess Anne certainly knows how to behave !

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 08/01/2023 07:49

ThighMistress · 06/01/2023 15:56

@BradfordGirl , family death rituals may vary, but surely you can’t believe it appropriate that an in-law should attend who has publicly slagged off your family ? If your dh had upset your grandmother, would you have still had him accompany you?

As I have said upthread, how either oblivious or thick-skinned must Meghan be? I would never have had the brass neck to go to Balmoral.

Furthermore the rf was worried the Queen’s death would be announced by Omid Scobie. A courtier fed Harry (and only Harry) some false info (royal train) and lo and behold Omid Scobie repeated it.

@ThighMistress Scobie got the info regarding the royal train from the protocol information about what happens in the days after the Queen were to die, that was available freely online as part of Operation London Bridge Is Down. It was only days after, that they changed the way the Queens body was to be transported, and broke from the established protocol. No courier told Scobie anything. Scobie was reading from the official protocol information that we all, even you and I, had access to.

Snippedasababy · 08/01/2023 07:50

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 08/01/2023 07:49

@ThighMistress Scobie got the info regarding the royal train from the protocol information about what happens in the days after the Queen were to die, that was available freely online as part of Operation London Bridge Is Down. It was only days after, that they changed the way the Queens body was to be transported, and broke from the established protocol. No courier told Scobie anything. Scobie was reading from the official protocol information that we all, even you and I, had access to.

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So why did he need to say anything about it all?

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 08/01/2023 07:54

Morestrangethings · 06/01/2023 22:17

So which courtier fed Harry incorrect information?

Jeezus, to think this all could have been avoided if the powers in the RF could have seen fit to denounce the behaviour of those sections of the media who published racist and misogynistic articles in regard to Meghan, and misogynistic articles about previous royal brides, repeatedly , instead of using these articles to hide their own less than glorious behaviour. (I think it’s been well established by media and others that this is exactly what happens and has happened for a long long time).

if the monarchy/ royal family has to resort to these low tactics to stay popular, and in power, then they really are a grubby lot. I include Harry in this for most of his life, (but at least he’s fought for his wife). The Queen is gone now. The rest of them have looked like a pretty grubby, grabby bunch for years. They are all bent out of shape. Harry included. What the wives who marry into the family have to go through at the hands of the media, and now social media, is unconscionable.

I can’t help but think that season 5 The Crown’s portrayal of the Royal Family as a boring bunch of privileged people who would throw anyone overboard to save themselves is not far from the truth.

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So which courtier fed Harry incorrect information?

There was no courtier. That other poster was mistaken. Scobie was simply reading from the same Operation London Bridge that I and everyone else got it from. No one fed Scobie anything. Because her body was always going to go back on the train and we all knew it months/years even before she died.