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Meghan WAS banned from Balmoral after Queen’s death

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SnottyLottie · 05/01/2023 20:48

In his book, Harry also claims that his father told him that Meghan should not come to Balmoral. The Queen was staying at her Scottish estate when she died last September.

The prince wrote: "Then my father called again. He told me I was welcome at Balmoral, but… without her. He started to explain his reasons, but they didn't make any sense at all, and it was disrespectful as well. I did not tolerate it from him.

"Don't even think about talking about my wife like that.

"Repentant, he said, stammering, that he simply didn't want the place to be full of people. Nobody's wife was going to go, not even Kate, he told me, so Meg shouldn't either."

source: news.sky.com/story/prince-harry-asked-his-father-not-to-marry-camilla-as-moment-he-was-told-about-his-mothers-car-accident-revealed-in-book-12780602

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toomuchlaundry · 06/01/2023 12:50

@BradfordGirl the Queen was still alive when they were sorting out travel arrangements. The rest of the family, including other grandchildren, gathered the day after she had died. Harry had left Balmorel by then I think

DaughterOfPsychiatrist · 06/01/2023 12:51

MarshaMelrose · 06/01/2023 02:24

And her poor niece.

I really didn’t follow the Netflix doc stuff re: why Meghan didn’t invite/wasn’t allowed to invite her niece to the wedding?

As far as I recall no one knew what her niece looked like so surely it would been possible to keep the niece’s privacy by sticking a big dinner plate of a hat on her and having her sit at the back near some minor toffs of a similar age…
Or if really worried, disguising her as camera crew/working flunky?

Besides, it’s really not THAT big of a deal to invite a relative you like/are close to and not invite a technically-closer relative you don’t like/don’t see anyway (the niece’s mum).

I agree - it always bothered me that Doria was left to stand alone: personally I would’ve wanted my divorced/single mum to pick a plus one of anyone, male or female, in her life who made her feel safe (a sibling, a good friend, a cousin whatever) to stand/walk/sit beside her, the same way a spouse would, rather than leaving her on her tod with the glare of the media on her.

PicturesOfDogs · 06/01/2023 12:52

The plane set off at around 2:40, after sitting there for about an hour (?) when William said go, we’re not waiting any longer.
The Queen died around 3:10

Even if they had set off on time, they would not have made it, but obviously at the time, they weren’t to know that

Shelefttheweb · 06/01/2023 12:54

PicturesOfDogs · 06/01/2023 12:52

The plane set off at around 2:40, after sitting there for about an hour (?) when William said go, we’re not waiting any longer.
The Queen died around 3:10

Even if they had set off on time, they would not have made it, but obviously at the time, they weren’t to know that

If the set off at 1:30 they would probably have been about 15 minutes late. But I guess they spent that hour thinking the delay might stop them from saying goodbye.

Shelefttheweb · 06/01/2023 12:55

Probably better to be too late than burst into the room as she took her final breath.

WickedStepmomNOT · 06/01/2023 12:56

@LikeTearsInRain · Today 00:04

It’s not like there was no room. Very controlling behaviour from Charlie boy

It's not about bed space! Nor is it controlling! A man was just about to lose his beloved mother, who also happened to be Her Majesty the Queen whose death would make him King - why on earth should he / her / they not stipulate who was allowed in at these final very private moments?

And you're forgetting Harry & Meghan refused recent opportunities to see the Queen while she was still alive. Now Harry wants to make it all about him & Meghan - not even a word of comfort for his bereaved father.

Quirkyme · 06/01/2023 12:57

@SnowlayRoundabout

You're missing my point, and seem like you're trying to be provocative.

Enjoy your day.

F4chrissakes · 06/01/2023 12:59

Many families have an in law they dislike, just look at other posts on mums net.
The latest revelations confirm what I thought at the start. Harry was besotted by Meghan, the rest of the family most definitely not. So they would not have wanted her anywhere near the dying matriarch. Or anyone else come to that. But Harry likes her welded to his side (or is it the other way round?) hence the fuss.
I can envisage the other royals in the plane, waiting for him to get his dog bowl wounded arse there and stop faffing about. Then William said "sod this for a game of 25 Taliban killing soldiers" and they flew up without him.

BadShepherd · 06/01/2023 13:00

“Dog bowl wounded arse” 😂😂😂 - so many cracking usernames coming out of this.

smilesy · 06/01/2023 13:00

BradfordGirl · 06/01/2023 12:44

@WickedStepmomNOT The Queen had already died. It was a family gathering after her death.

From what you have posted here and elsewhere, you are clearly an admirer of the Sussexes. However, regardless of what you or I or anyone outside the RF feels about Meghan, there is no doubt that she and Harry had caused upset with their Oprah interview etc. It is perfectly understandable that they would feel awkward around her under normal circumstances, so they were never going to want to add that sort of stress and discomfort to the death of a relative. I also read that when William was initially asked to go to Balmoral, it was in his capacity as a counsellor of state, in case the Queen was incapacitated. Obviously things changed but there was no reason for Meghan to go.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 06/01/2023 13:04

Codfishermen · 06/01/2023 11:40

I think in this situation I can see why Harry wanted Meghan to be there, she was visiting the country and didn’t have her children with her. Kate lives in the UK and had a network of family and friends to be with. It was rude for the family to exclude Meghan in this instance. Meghan seemed to have a good relationship with the queen and spoke of her as a grandma in the documentary. Charles should have respected his sons wish to have his wife with him.

It's not about M&H's wishes! It's about the dying person's wishes!

Meghan is a middle-aged woman experienced at traveling the world. Surely she could occupy herself or just sit quietly in her hotel room, ffs. Without for once being pandered to.

Sugarfree23 · 06/01/2023 13:05

@BradfordGirl most people don't need to worry about their most private moments being splated across the front pages of the papers either.

Harry has proven he cannot be trusted to keep private stuff private. Charles, Anne, Andrew and Ed all trump Harry and Meg.

It would have been awful if he'd described the atmosphere in the room after she passed, I remember laughing in the hours after DDad died, while we remembered all the good times.

SnowlayRoundabout · 06/01/2023 13:06

Quirkyme · 06/01/2023 12:57

@SnowlayRoundabout

You're missing my point, and seem like you're trying to be provocative.

Enjoy your day.

I'm certainly not trying to be provocative, I'm trying to understand your point. It's a shame you aren't prepared to explain it.

AliceOlive · 06/01/2023 13:08

Loudhousefun · 06/01/2023 11:08

I think in this situation I can see why Harry wanted Meghan to be there, she was visiting the country and didn’t have her children with her. Kate lives in the UK and had a network of family and friends to be with. It was rude for the family to exclude Meghan in this instance. Meghan seemed to have a good relationship with the queen and spoke of her as a grandma in the documentary. Charles should have respected his sons wish to have his wife with him.

www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/promoting-hope-preventing-suicide/201705/ring-theory-helps-us-bring-comfort-in?amp

The Queen at the center, her children and closest companions (Sophie) next, her grandchildren, then others.

Why would you expect someone so far removed from the epicenter from the Queen’s life to be given priority above the comfort of her and those closest to her?

Coxspurplepippin · 06/01/2023 13:10

BradfordGirl · 06/01/2023 12:44

@WickedStepmomNOT The Queen had already died. It was a family gathering after her death.

The Queen died while the plane was in flight having been delayed for and hour while Harry argued to bring his wife with him. Once again, making it all about them.

Meghan had no place there. She barely knew the Queen unlike her grandchildren who'd known her all their lives. Did these other six grandchildren kick up an almighty fuss about being at the Queen's deathbed? No, because they didn't make it all about them. It wasn't a fucking sideshow.

It doesn't matter which way you slice and dice it, Harry's grandstanding at this time was utterly inappropriate.

Arsewangry · 06/01/2023 13:11

Honestly, at this point Harold sounds brainwashed. It was the "people don't understand" comment that really flagged that to me. It's one of those phrases you often hear from cult members. Whether he's brainwashed himself or whether it's been done via a third party I don't know and can't comment on. But he really seems to believe his own truth. It's an absolute mess and I can't see how it could possibly ever end well for them now. Unless of course they disappear off to that private life and live quietly together and leave this well alone. But I think we all know that isn't about to happen. What a mess.

BradfordGirl · 06/01/2023 13:13

@Coxspurplepippin I thought the plane would not wait for Harry? There was no delay. He had to make his own way there.
Harry was not contacted until the Queen had died.

WickedStepmomNOT · 06/01/2023 13:15

Talk about unintended consequences - I think more people now support Charles than might have before his toxic and possibly deranged younger son started spouting off like a blocked toilet when a plunger is applied.

BethDuttonsTwin · 06/01/2023 13:15

Meghan had no place there. She barely knew the Queen unlike her grandchildren who'd known her all their lives. Did these other six grandchildren kick up an almighty fuss about being at the Queen's deathbed? No, because they didn't make it all about them. It wasn't a fucking sideshow.

This is a good point. Why did the hardly known spouse of one of her grandchildren, of only a couple of years, deserve to be at the death bed of QE when her own grandchildren and great grandchildren, whose lives she had been a constant in since the day they were each born, not get that opportunity? It’s indefensible, I don’t know how anyone can try to justify it.

thebellagio · 06/01/2023 13:19

If the Princess of Wales, Mike Tindell, Jack Brooksbank, Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi and Peter Philips wife (not sure of her name) were not invited to be there, then neither was Meghan. It's literally as simple as that.

I'd love to know the cousins' thoughts on this. Bet their WhatsApp group is an utter hoot.

Coxspurplepippin · 06/01/2023 13:23

BradfordGirl · 06/01/2023 13:13

@Coxspurplepippin I thought the plane would not wait for Harry? There was no delay. He had to make his own way there.
Harry was not contacted until the Queen had died.

It didn't wait for Harry because they'd already delayed for an hour while he was arguing the toss. Then they decided to just go without him. As it turned out the plane arrived after the Queen had died. They wouldn't have made it in time even if the plane had left on time, but they didn't know that. For the plane to be delayed because of Harry's arguments is bloody unforgivable.

Sugarfree23 · 06/01/2023 13:23

WickedStepmomNOT · 06/01/2023 13:15

Talk about unintended consequences - I think more people now support Charles than might have before his toxic and possibly deranged younger son started spouting off like a blocked toilet when a plunger is applied.

🤣🤣🤣 what a description!

hopeishere · 06/01/2023 13:24

AdelaideRo · 05/01/2023 21:39

The flight from the South East to Aberdeen took off later than planned. i thought this was because Harry was arguing about Meghan travelling with them and when it wasn't resolved quickly they left without him.

If this is the case then this is another way he has pissed other people in the family off as I bet they all just wanted to start moving.

I agree this was the issue. The main plane left late because of the argument about Meghan coming.

Also agree no detail on the reasons on purpose in case people went "fair enough". It's all so one sided.

workiskillingme · 06/01/2023 13:25

WickedStepmomNOT · 06/01/2023 13:15

Talk about unintended consequences - I think more people now support Charles than might have before his toxic and possibly deranged younger son started spouting off like a blocked toilet when a plunger is applied.

Good. I truly hope this will be Harry's undoing.
Repent at leisure you will have plenty of time

goldierocks · 06/01/2023 13:30

BradfordGirl · 06/01/2023 13:13

@Coxspurplepippin I thought the plane would not wait for Harry? There was no delay. He had to make his own way there.
Harry was not contacted until the Queen had died.

That isn't what Harry himself says happened. From his book:

Harry writes that he received a phone call from an unknown number on September 8, 2022.

“It was my father. The health of my grandmother had deteriorated,” he writes, adding that Charles was already in Balmoral.

“Straight away I wrote to Willy to ask if he and Kate were going to fly there and, if so, when and on what terms.

“He did not reply. Meg and I looked up flights. The press started calling. We could not keep on putting off the decision.”

He adds that he and his wife cancelled a scheduled appearance at a charity awards in anticipation of both rushing to Scotland but adds: “Then my father called again. He told me that I was welcome in Balmoral, but... without her. He started to explain his reasons, but they made no sense, and it was disrespectful.”

Harry says he told Charles: ‘Don’t even think of talking like that about my wife.’ before realising that there had been a misunderstanding.

“Apologetically, he stuttered that he simply didn’t want it to get crowded. No-one’s wife was going to go, not even Kate, he told me, so Meg shouldn’t either.

Harry adds that he told his father: “You should have said that at the start.”

Having boarded a chartered plane, he said he “spent almost the whole flight looking at the clouds, reliving the last time I had spoken with my grandmother (he goes on to describe the conversation in detail)........The Duke adds: “When the plane started to descend I saw that my phone lit up. It was a message from Meg: “Call me when you get this.”

“I looked at the BBC website. My grandmother had died. My father was king.

“I put on my black tie, got out of the plane under heavy rain and shot up to Balmoral in a borrowed car.”