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Meghan WAS banned from Balmoral after Queen’s death

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SnottyLottie · 05/01/2023 20:48

In his book, Harry also claims that his father told him that Meghan should not come to Balmoral. The Queen was staying at her Scottish estate when she died last September.

The prince wrote: "Then my father called again. He told me I was welcome at Balmoral, but… without her. He started to explain his reasons, but they didn't make any sense at all, and it was disrespectful as well. I did not tolerate it from him.

"Don't even think about talking about my wife like that.

"Repentant, he said, stammering, that he simply didn't want the place to be full of people. Nobody's wife was going to go, not even Kate, he told me, so Meg shouldn't either."

source: news.sky.com/story/prince-harry-asked-his-father-not-to-marry-camilla-as-moment-he-was-told-about-his-mothers-car-accident-revealed-in-book-12780602

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upinaballoon · 06/01/2023 10:47

CoffeeBoy · 05/01/2023 20:54

So Harry hears this from his dad and “doesn’t take it well”. Which means to me while Charles is coping with his mother dying he’s having to put up with Harold yabbering at him about how Megs should be allowed up. What a twat.

When I was a very young adult and was more or less youngest in the family at that time, and there was a sudden death in the family, it was pointed out to me that I wasn't the only person who was upset. I wasn't falling to pieces or being dramatic but Someone feared I might. I think I was misjudged at the time, BUT, it was an excellent lesson to learn, that other people are bereaved and busy with organising things and they really haven't got time to bugger about with your - Harry - your ego.

Sugarfree23 · 06/01/2023 11:08

JudgeJ · 06/01/2023 10:43

In circumstances like this, the death of their great grandmother, I would imagine that the children wanted their mother not a nanny, however fond they are of her. It was not just the death, it was the massive surrounding publicity, all their school would have been talking about it the next day, to their school friends the Queen had died, to them it was their beloved great grandmother.

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Exactly it was right for Kate to stay home. The kids had had a tough day too. Press watching them going into a new school. Meeting new kids, not even having the comfort of old friends or teachers. Louis first day at school.

Did the kids even know Granny was unwell while they were in school?

Loudhousefun · 06/01/2023 11:08

I think in this situation I can see why Harry wanted Meghan to be there, she was visiting the country and didn’t have her children with her. Kate lives in the UK and had a network of family and friends to be with. It was rude for the family to exclude Meghan in this instance. Meghan seemed to have a good relationship with the queen and spoke of her as a grandma in the documentary. Charles should have respected his sons wish to have his wife with him.

diddl · 06/01/2023 11:12

It was rude for the family to exclude Meghan in this instance.

It was hardly a social event!

BethJ62 · 06/01/2023 11:13

Loudhousefun · 06/01/2023 11:08

I think in this situation I can see why Harry wanted Meghan to be there, she was visiting the country and didn’t have her children with her. Kate lives in the UK and had a network of family and friends to be with. It was rude for the family to exclude Meghan in this instance. Meghan seemed to have a good relationship with the queen and spoke of her as a grandma in the documentary. Charles should have respected his sons wish to have his wife with him.

She barely knew the Queen so not sure where you are getting that from !
It is highly likely that HM said who she wanted with her . She had said she wanted Anne to accompany her back to London so had probably indicated who she wanted to see . I am sure Meghan ( an independent middle aged woman) could entertain herself for 24 hours.

SnowlayRoundabout · 06/01/2023 11:24

It was rude for the family to exclude Meghan in this instance.

When you are dealing with someone who is about to die, I don't think politeness or rudeness comes into it. Quite simply, the needs of the dying person trump everything, then the needs of her nearest and dearest, starting with her children. They don't have to put those needs second to the wishes of one out of several in-laws.

When my mother was dying, my DH drove me 60 miles to be with her because he realised I wasn't in a fit state to drive myself. When we got there, he stayed outside because he instinctively knew that the only people she would want there would be me and my siblings. And then he drove me 60 miles back. I'm happy to say that none of the grandchildren made any sort of fuss about that, let alone demanding that their partners should be there.

SnowlayRoundabout · 06/01/2023 11:29

LikeTearsInRain · 06/01/2023 00:04

It’s not like there was no room. Very controlling behaviour from Charlie boy

And you know the size of the room the Queen died in how?

If all the children and grandchildren and their partners and spouses had been there, there would have been 20 people in the room plus any medical staff. Unless they moved her into a banqueting hall or something, I think it would have been a tad crowded. And how much do you fancy having an audience of 20 when you are terminally ill?

SnowlayRoundabout · 06/01/2023 11:35

Quirkyme · 06/01/2023 00:15

@ily0

It's interesting that someone would choose to say such a thing in their dying moments, if that is the case.
There are surely other more important, personal things to focus on like your chosen loved ones around you.

Saying that, it also wouldn't surprise me as she has said questionable things in the past.

Something tells me that, in your dying moments, you don't necessarily pick and choose your words and come out with carefully honed and crafted statements immaculately graded to suit the occasion. Perhaps you feel entitled to say the first thing that comes into your head. But your experience may differ, of course.

Sputum · 06/01/2023 11:36

It was rude for the family to exclude Meghan in this instance.
Effing hell, Charles’ mum was dying. You really think H&M’s wishes should have come first?
If H&M had been back at home in the US, Harry wouldn’t have been there at all.

Quirkyme · 06/01/2023 11:36

@SnowlayRoundabout

What I'm saying is, in your dying moments, why are you thinking and talking about someone you may not like/thankful isn't around.

Not expecting carefully honed and crafted statements.

Codfishermen · 06/01/2023 11:40

I think in this situation I can see why Harry wanted Meghan to be there, she was visiting the country and didn’t have her children with her. Kate lives in the UK and had a network of family and friends to be with. It was rude for the family to exclude Meghan in this instance. Meghan seemed to have a good relationship with the queen and spoke of her as a grandma in the documentary. Charles should have respected his sons wish to have his wife with him.

It's not about M&H's wishes! It's about the dying person's wishes!

Proudofitbabe · 06/01/2023 11:47

AlmondBake · 06/01/2023 01:00

I imagine it was more about Meghan wanting to support her husband than bag a front row seat at the Queen's bedside. Harry probably wanted Meghan's support at such a difficult, emotional and stressful time for him - especially when things were so tense between him and his father and brother. I can see why he would be very hurt to be told she couldn't go.

How can anyone witness their actions since Jan 2020, and genuinely believe that couple had genuine, decent reasons to try and bulldoze the will of a dying woman and her son? Come on!

Turns out they really are as awful as they've been "made out" to be - except now Harry has been thick enough to confirm it directly.

CoffeandTiaMaria · 06/01/2023 12:03

Lostinalibrary · 06/01/2023 07:02

The face he reveals his last words to his grandmother - after she died at Balmoral. Proves Charles was right they will sell even that moment to the highest bidder. It’s grotesque.

It’s incomprehensible and sick.
I imagine that before any future meetings with the royal family these two will need to be frisked for hidden cameras and audio equipment.
I can’t see anyone ever trusting them again.

CoffeandTiaMaria · 06/01/2023 12:23

SnowlayRoundabout · 06/01/2023 11:24

It was rude for the family to exclude Meghan in this instance.

When you are dealing with someone who is about to die, I don't think politeness or rudeness comes into it. Quite simply, the needs of the dying person trump everything, then the needs of her nearest and dearest, starting with her children. They don't have to put those needs second to the wishes of one out of several in-laws.

When my mother was dying, my DH drove me 60 miles to be with her because he realised I wasn't in a fit state to drive myself. When we got there, he stayed outside because he instinctively knew that the only people she would want there would be me and my siblings. And then he drove me 60 miles back. I'm happy to say that none of the grandchildren made any sort of fuss about that, let alone demanding that their partners should be there.

And not one of them would want anything ‘remembered’ in exchange for money at some future date by this hideous pair.

SnowlayRoundabout · 06/01/2023 12:34

Quirkyme · 06/01/2023 11:36

@SnowlayRoundabout

What I'm saying is, in your dying moments, why are you thinking and talking about someone you may not like/thankful isn't around.

Not expecting carefully honed and crafted statements.

So you want the dying person to restrict their thoughts to what you deem appropriate? Or to explain to you why they have failed to do so?

You do realise that she may not even have known she was dying, don't you?

cyclamenqueen · 06/01/2023 12:36

The Queen expressed those views at Prince Philips funeral

milveycrohn · 06/01/2023 12:38

When my DM was dying, I stayed with her all day. My DB drove 3 hours to be her as well. Neither of our spouses were with us.

BradfordGirl · 06/01/2023 12:38

The Queen had died by the time Harry and others travelled to Balmoral.

My mum when her husband died certainly was not talking about who she wanted and did not want at her funeral. For many people death of very close loved ones puts everything else into perspective.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 06/01/2023 12:39

CoffeeBoy · 05/01/2023 20:54

So Harry hears this from his dad and “doesn’t take it well”. Which means to me while Charles is coping with his mother dying he’s having to put up with Harold yabbering at him about how Megs should be allowed up. What a twat.

This!

SnowlayRoundabout · 06/01/2023 12:42

The Queen had died by the time Harry and others travelled to Balmoral.

But Harry seems to be writing about what happened before he had even started travelling?

BradfordGirl · 06/01/2023 12:42

@milveycrohn It is not always possible for spouses to be there after your parents or grandparents have died. But most people do not ban them. Most people recognise that the people who loved the person who dies needs support and so needs their spouse there if they want them there.

But I am sure we will have loads more posts about dysfunctional families and how with their dying breath their mum told them not to allow their husband to join her in the house after their mum's death, and that was the right thing to do.

With the many comments about adults in families assaulting other adults and this being seen as normal and fine, I am realising how many people here live in highly dysfunctional families.

WickedStepmomNOT · 06/01/2023 12:43

@Scarbsbeach · Today 05:55

For two people who are making financial capital about how insensitively they have been treated, they show an astounding lack of sensitivity about turning up to gawp at a dying Queen when they had refused an invitation to see her alive in the preceding week of their European visit.

You can’t have this both ways, Harry.

@Maireas · Today 06:06

They also focus a lot on mental health, yet are astonishingly inconsiderate of the impact of their behaviour on the mental health of others.

^^ This - both posts sum it up.

BradfordGirl · 06/01/2023 12:44

@WickedStepmomNOT The Queen had already died. It was a family gathering after her death.

PicturesOfDogs · 06/01/2023 12:48

BradfordGirl · 06/01/2023 12:44

@WickedStepmomNOT The Queen had already died. It was a family gathering after her death.

No, the Queen had not yet died when they set off.
She died whilst they were all en route

SnowlayRoundabout · 06/01/2023 12:50

BradfordGirl · 06/01/2023 12:42

@milveycrohn It is not always possible for spouses to be there after your parents or grandparents have died. But most people do not ban them. Most people recognise that the people who loved the person who dies needs support and so needs their spouse there if they want them there.

But I am sure we will have loads more posts about dysfunctional families and how with their dying breath their mum told them not to allow their husband to join her in the house after their mum's death, and that was the right thing to do.

With the many comments about adults in families assaulting other adults and this being seen as normal and fine, I am realising how many people here live in highly dysfunctional families.

"Most people"? Just how much research have you done into the behaviour of the dying to be able to make that statement?

No-one is talking about what would happen after the Queen's death, it's about a conversation Harry had with his father earlier that day before she had died.