To wonder if the allegations Harry has made against his brother might be true?

[pearlearringgirl]

We put the royal family on a pedestal, however they are a family with potential issues and dysfunction like a lot of families have.

I just find myself wondering if these allegations might have some truth behind them and what that might mean for the future of the royal family.

I also wonder what Dianna would think of this feud between her two boys. I expect she would be very sad…

MamoruHisaishi · Today 09:30
Of course Harry has knowingly lied. He hides behind his ‘poor memory ‘ and his wounded little boy persona to absolve his responsibility for his own words and actions. I'm sorry but I'm tired of all the excuses that people keep giving Harry to justify his poor behaviour. He's a violent racist, that's a fact. And no, it's not because he lost his mother and the media scrutiny that made him act that way. It's called entitlement and arrogance, because he felt his status allowed him to get away with such vile behaviour. Like that affluenza kid. If harry was to get his way, there would be no media reporting whatsoever of things he didn't want to be known, like the nazi costume, and the media would be under his control. This is the same guy who has stated in court that he only considers something to be of public interest (and therefore should be reported) if it was to do with a life threatening illness. He doesn't think that it is of public interest if the royals are given special privileges/unfair advantages. And this is the guy that some republicans have been supportive of? He's acting like a tyrant and I can't believe some people can't or refuse to see that.

True words

MamoruHisaishi · Today 09:30

Absolutely agree with your summing up.
Harry doesn't seem to think the special status the RF enjoys at public expense obliges them to do anything in return.
They should have all the good things in life and not be answerable to anyone for their behaviour.

its funny you say that about Harry... what is going on with that investigation into cash for honours? Why didn't Andrew go to the US and answer questions about Epstein?
Harry has never said there should be no reporting of him. But it should be legally obtained information, and of public interest. Glandular fever and a broken thumb are not public interest stories.

Iwantcakeeveryday · Today 11:20
its funny you say that about Harry... what is going on with that investigation into cash for honours?
I've no idea
Why didn't Andrew go to the US and answer questions about Epstein?
His mummy told him not to. One of the rare occasions when QE was wrong.
And this is more "what-about-ery"
Harry has never said there should be no reporting of him. But it should be legally obtained information, and of public interest. Glandular fever and a broken thumb are not public interest stories.
Legally obtained, of course.
But only reporting what Harry thinks the public should know? Just think what he has told the public about things his family surely didn't want to share!
Glandular fever & broken thumb are of interest to many. Frozen todger anyone?

Glandular fever & broken thumb are of interest to many. Frozen todger anyone?

Of interest is not the same as 'in the public interest', which is his point. A child should be able to grow up with his medical records private. What he chooses to share as an adult, is up to him.

Well, my memory was certainly faulty!

found old school reports, starting in 1968 (Scotland, private school) so checked dates

session started in 2nd week of September and ended second week of July

in 1972 it switched to starting 1st week of September and ending 1week of July.

Later reports don’t have dates on them.

And obviously you don’t share personal medical details regarding private matters like circumsision, knowing your readers will speculate about your sibling, even if you didn’t state he was also circumcised.

I think he's allowed to write about himself without people claiming that it means he's speaking for his brother too. They're separate people.

Why didn't Andrew go to the US and answer questions about Epstein?
His mummy told him not to. One of the rare occasions when QE was wrong.

Er, no. If she did tell him not to go, and I rather think it was his lawyers who did that, she was absolutely right.

The FBI haven't questioned, arrested or charged any of the men that Virginia Giuffre accused. Men who were supposedly much more involved than PA and yet it was the British guy they tried to talk to. Funny that.
And the only person that VG went after in the US, Alan Dershowitz, refused to back down over his claims of innocence resiltinh in VG dropping her case and admitting she was wrong to accuse him.

If you have children, you really should be advising them not to volunteer to speak to law enforcement, especially under caution, and particularly the FBI. Some of the stuff it gets up to is quite shocking. But whatever, no policing body is on your side. It's on its own side.

How do you know that this is referring to the same occasion though? I believe that there have been various meetings between PB and the RF at various times over the years?

Sorry but I think it’s nonsense to call Harry “a violent racist” and I want to challenge that statement which implies that nowadays he goes around assaulting people of a different race to him , instead of falling in love with a woman of mixed race and having mixed race dc.

I am surprised that the comment “He’s a violent racist, that’s a fact” has been allowed to stand tbh because (a) it conjoins two unrelated things and (b) is not the truth NOW.

Yes be behaved in a racist way, idiotically and stupidly, as a young man, there is no question about that. But he has since learnt and grown and fully admitted his behaviour was wrong and now as an older married man has done a complete volte face and is advocating for racial equality and understanding.

Are people not allowed to change and grow? Do they get no credit for doing so? Not on Mumsnet obviously!

Harry was 20 yrs old I believe when he wore that Nazi uniform. And he was in training to be a soldier when the incident about the racist nns occurred. The environments he was in at the time were deeply white, hierarchical, upper class, and yes, I’m afraid to say, racist. I know this because I have family members who attended some of the same training establishments in the services around about the same time.

Attitudes are slowly changing and improving but believe me there is still much more work to be done. And I agree with Harry when he says much unconscious racism remains and establishment folk who believe they are doing their best, really still need to do far more.

Harry was 20 yrs old I believe when he wore that Nazi uniform
so, an adult who had received the best schooling money could buy

whose own grandfather had served in WWII.

no excuse for a grown man to be so stupidly racist.

The environments he was in at the time were deeply white, hierarchical, upper class, and yes, I’m afraid to say, racist

except for the fact his own mother was friendly with Jemima and Imran Khan, and she went to Pakistan to raise funds for his hospital.

and the fact that Diana also had an affair with Hasnat Khan.

so very clear his mother had a wide circle of friends and that they were not all white.

whose own grandfather had served in WWII

no excuse for a grown man to be so stupidly racist.

that never stopped PP all through his life did it? But it was just a joke for him I suppose 😳

At least Harry has grown and learnt

Absolutely no need to mention William at all.

There were countless stories in books, and papers (even The New York Times) about Willy and me not being circumcised
Mummy had forbidden it, they all said, and while it’s absolutely true that the chance of getting penile frostbite is much greater if you’re not circumcised, all the stories were false. I was snipped as a baby

exactly why did he mention his brother? That was not respecting Williams right to medical privacy.

and of course that was picked up on, once the book was published. Very shady.

It amazes me that so many on MN consider Harry to be a fine upstanding,

even truthful, chap, "living his best happy life in California".

Why does he look more miserable now than ever before?

good post

I’m mid 60’s and can only recall a 7 week summer holiday in Scotland.

Because it was after the court case against PB collapsed so a quite specific time.

@BadgerB - totally.

I have mixed feelings about the whole Nazi uniform saga. On the one hand I'm Jewish and it really upset me at the time because I felt so angry about how Harry's popularity meant it was dismissed as "just banter" and "can't you take a joke". And now it's finally being taken seriously all these years later but not because the Jewish community is suddenly something people want to protect but because he's fallen out of favour for completely unrelated reasons.

I agree @tigger2022

There was a fad at one time for sing-along Sound of Music and apparently a lot of people wore Nazi uniforms. It seemed very odd and icky to me.

That should have died down long ago. It was a fancy dress party, the theme being 'Colonials and natives', would you believe. Harry, William and Kate went to a hire shop and Harry saw the German East Africa Corps uniform (presumably he was a 'colonial'), and chose that, William hired a lion costume - well, lions are native to Africa! Goodness knows what Kate went as. However, it is not at all unusual for people to dress up as Hitler, Ghenghis Khan, Henry the Vlll, Julius Caesar and various other people for such parties. I doubt he gave it a thought, especially as it wasn't anything like the SS. There was even a famous Jewish film director who made a musical with a cast of goose stepping SS and I've seen Julian Clary dressed up as a Nazi on TV. It doesn't mean they are taking on the persona of such characters, merely dressing up for a 'part and the more outrageous the better. It's parody, sad that people were upset by this but I do feel that feeling was whipped up by the media. I mean - nobody really thinks Harry is a Nazi, do they? I also wonder what sort of person takes the photo and gives it to the press; not much of a friend. It was a private birthday party.

Anyway that was many years ago.

I don't think we should minimise wearing offensive outfits

Did all 3 go to shop? I thought H had gone himself and then phoned the others to ask for help deciding?