To wonder if the allegations Harry has made against his brother might be true?

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We put the royal family on a pedestal, however they are a family with potential issues and dysfunction like a lot of families have.

I just find myself wondering if these allegations might have some truth behind them and what that might mean for the future of the royal family.

I also wonder what Dianna would think of this feud between her two boys. I expect she would be very sad…

I'm Team no one but it's interesting to see how both sides are so polarized. At the end of the day, we don't know them personally. Just because you believe that one side are angels doesn't mean the other are evil and vice versa.

I do believe that there's a lot of dysfunction in that family like in most families.

I don't dislike H&M but I do feel like they wanted the RF to control the press and what was being said about them and that there might be some truth to the bullying allegations after Harry admitted, in his book, that several of his staff members would cry at their desks

I'm not a huge W&K fan but I definitely can admire how they manage to protect their children's privacy (since September, we've seen Charlotte and George 3 times and Louis twice) while still criticising them for not working enough.

Meghan was definitely a victim of racism by a small portion of the British press but I still finding them incredibly annoying and I don't agree with some of their actions like The Oprah Interview while Prince Philip was dying or writing the book and filming the Netflix series while The Queen’s death was declining or some of their lies that have been debunked over the years.

You can disagree with some of Harry's actions while also feeling some empathy for him. He lost his mum at 12 years old in a horrible way. He then finally found the girl he wanted to marry and some of the press treated her horribly. I know some people say that Kate dealt with this for YEARS and stayed "dignified". William eventually got his lawyers involved and even released several statements for those old enough to remember.
That media scrutiny must've been really triggering for Harry and he's probably determined to not let what happened to Diana happen to Meghan. The man is suffering from a lot of trauma

You don't have to bash Meghan to praise elevate Kate and vice versa. The feud has probably been exaggerated by the press. Harry probably expected these 2 to be BFFs and was in his feelings when it didn't happen

You don't have to be a fan of the RF to feel some compassion for them in that whole mess.

Basically, everything is not black and white. People are complex and can be flawed. I just feel that there's so much nastiness on both sides but there needs to be more understanding and compassion.

@Cranberrystreet do so agree with that. I have noticed it just of late, people being very defensive of the RF and thinking any comment that is not favourable is worthy of attack.

"I very much agree with you that you can feel compassion for Harry while not necessarily agreeing with all of his actions.*

I do agree with this. He's a flawed human being
Aren't we all...

Yes, we are and the people we often admire most are those with feet of clay. Nobody needs to be an untouchable icon.

I think Harry has been remarkably honest from his perspective, alongside which he has painted some charming, touching and funny pictures of his growing up years. The way he speaks of his much loved father is quite moving.

People also forget that Harry's parents both went public with embarrassing detail, the press had a field day with the stories, they had made some revelations before that after hacking private phones. He has done nothing different except that he has not done anything wrong; some obviously disagree with the course of action he and Meghan have taken but even they cannot accuse the couple of actually doing something wrong.

I think Harry has been remarkably honest from his perspective,

What does that mean, though? I'm honest from my perspective but that doesn't mean that I'm right. My family would definitely dispute that. Haha.

Is “his perspective” the same as “his truth”?

I imagine so @TrashyPanda ! 🤣

Could be.

What I am saying is that I don't think Harry has lied. Obviously, recollections vary as the royal family's spokespeople said and that is very true in many situations. The police have genuine eye witness accounts which differ, that's normal. Deliberately lying is a different, serious matter. Throughout history, the royals have been good at getting round that one.

What I am saying is that I don't think Harry has lied.

But isn't that true of lots of people that posters write about on here? Particularly on MN it's about husbands. That the husband has said or done something, or they've rowed, and then the husband declares in outrage those things never happen and to all extent and purposes, they seem to believe that. It's very frustrating to their partner because they know what happened. Isn't it called gaslighting?

I think that lots of times Harry has talked it over in his head so many times, he does believe what he's saying, but that doesn't make it true. As he admitted to Green, he can't remember what actually happened he's just assuming now what must have happened back then. He thins he would have behaved and thought then how he would behave and think now. But we all know that's not true. But he goes one step further to say his assumption is actually truth. But there's lots of proof of things that he's said bout his past are not true.

When did we get to the point that one person's biased memory of what has happened is the same as actual truth? I remember every summer school holiday was three months long and was sunny every day. But I know that can't be true because summer holidays were only ever 6 weeks and old weather reports tell me that long hot summers were very much the exception and not the rule. It's bonkers to believe my memory over the actual truth.

Actually, I'm going to amend my post and say of course he lied and he must have known it.

Back when the article about meeting Paul Burrell was written, the report said that Wlliam wanted to meet PB but Harry did not.

Moving into the present time, at some time over the past couple of years, Harry has written a sworn statement that he left a message on William's phone replying to William's suggestion they should meet PB that he didnt want to meet him. He claims the phone must have been hacked for anyone to know that.

However, at the same time he wrote that statement, he was writing his book and reading the audio for it. He said in the book that he wanted to meet PB, he was even wiling to take a flight home to do it, but his brother and father talked him out of it. That's quite detailed.

So he knowingly wrote two completely different versions of the facts at roughly the same time. And he stood up in court and swore on oath that he didn't want to meet PB when in fact he was convinced that he had wanted to meet him.

So, yeah, that's a lie.

Wow @Gracewithoutend , excellent analysis skills! , I often miss the fine details, but spelled out like that, yep your right!

@Gracewithoutend Summer hols used to be 8 wks long. The change to 6 wks came when I was quite early in primary school. We got the same number of weeks' holiday in the year. However school finished at 4pm all through my time st school rather than 3 or 3.15 as they seem to do now. I don't remember sunny summers - mainly rain, but my mum used to insist summers before I was born were sunnier.

I think private school holidays were always longer? I am early 50s and state school summer holidays were always 6-7 weeks, and school ended 3.45 at secondary and a bit earlier in primary.I thinkit depends which LEA you were and then some differences within LEA

Remember the sunny days and not the rain! Human natire I suppose

My summer holidays were 6 weeks long. We finished halfway through July and went back the first Monday in September.
My school hours were 9-4. Although the local comprehensive was 8.30 ~ 3.30.

That's my memory anyway. But then, I am getting on a bit!

But maybe my memory is wrong. They say that each time we talk or think about a memory, that version of the memory is what stays with us the next time. So when you repeat it and a small detail changes, that new detail actually becomes embedded as part of the old memory although it didn't actually happen. Memories are notoriously unreliable.

Private school, born mid 60s, holidays about six weeks, same as state schools, though we got more half days for things like Founders Day

exH at school in NI and their holidays were 8 weeks. Lucky buggers

@Gracewithoutend - that’s some impressive work there.

Harrys truth not standing up to scrutiny. Again.

however / describing PB as a two faced shit was 200% correct

So he knowingly wrote two completely different versions of the facts at roughly the same time. And he stood up in court and swore on oath that he didn't want to meet PB when in fact he was convinced that he had wanted to meet him.

Gotcha!

Born 1960s. State school, Scotland. Summer hols start late June and new school year starts late August. Been living in England for many yrs. DCs both went to school in England. Yet it still feels strange to have Summer hols starting later. When the 8 wk holiday was cut to 6 wks, we just got more weeks' hol at other points in the year. I was young in primary school when the long hols were reduced, but I can still remember how the Summer hols seemed to go on forever, and then seemed disappointingly short. The question is: @Gracewithoutend did I really notice the two week difference, or is my memory playing tricks looking back? We could ask the same question re Harry.

Of course Harry has knowingly lied. He hides behind his ‘poor memory ‘ and his wounded little boy persona to absolve his responsibility for his own words and actions. I'm sorry but I'm tired of all the excuses that people keep giving Harry to justify his poor behaviour. He's a violent racist, that's a fact. And no, it's not because he lost his mother and the media scrutiny that made him act that way. It's called entitlement and arrogance, because he felt his status allowed him to get away with such vile behaviour. Like that affluenza kid. If harry was to get his way, there would be no media reporting whatsoever of things he didn't want to be known, like the nazi costume, and the media would be under his control. This is the same guy who has stated in court that he only considers something to be of public interest (and therefore should be reported) if it was to do with a life threatening illness. He doesn't think that it is of public interest if the royals are given special privileges/unfair advantages. And this is the guy that some republicans have been supportive of? He's acting like a tyrant and I can't believe some people can't or refuse to see that.

A bit strong @MamoruHisaishi , but I can't disagree!

@Idontpostmuch I think Scotland has always had different holidays to England. So maybe 8 weeks was in Scotland? Because certainly where I live in England, it's been 6 weeks for as long as I can remember and I was born in the 60s, too.

Here is an article about a girls grammar school in the 1950s. It was 6 weeks then as well.

https://www.1900s.org.uk/1950s-copthall-school-admin.htm#:~:text=The%20year%20began%20with%20the,July%20when%20the%20summer%20holidays

I think it depends @Gracewithoutend , what region you live in , I was born in the 70s and it was 8 weeks in the summer, we didn't get weeks off throughout the year like they do now , for example mine had a week off for Easter, I only had the Friday and Monday off ,
We also had longer at Christmas ( not by much!) . So it's definitely not a false memory for some.

Scotland I think has always had different holidays ( confirmed by my Scottish mil ) .

Scotland definitely had 8 wks. My older siblings remember it, and I can remember my mum talking about how they'd just become shorter. However the question is: were my young child's memories of much longer hols real ie did I really perceive the difference, or have I convinced myself of that because I know they were cut? I'll never know.