He has gone after Camilla....

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The Sun have got hold of a copy of the book that was accidently put on sale in Spain. They are clearly skimming it as fast as possible with a translator. They are reporting that W&H begged KC not to marry C, and that he thought she was leaking stories to the press.

Bloody hell.

Ta for the apology @Mirabai you’re very gracious

And MNHQ did delete sone posts about Andrew for legal reasons (potentially defamatory) so no actually, it’s not absurd. This was a few years ago so I’ll give you benefit of the doubt and assume you didn’t see.

I could give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you didn’t see MN deleted very little over his interview or the recent case with VG, but I think it’s just disingenousness.

This nothing to do with the reasons Andrew isn’t obsessed over like H&M.

If anything I think people had higher expectations of Harry and more fondness for him, thus are more disappointed. No-one likes Andrew much - let’s not pretend it’s because they or MN afraid of getting sued.

It really does come across that the royals are very dysfunctional family,and actually vicious.

The stakes are high.

Every historical novel, every history book on royals or adjacents are full of palace intrigue - why are people reluctant to believe that it happens in this day and age?

Seems to me that with a foreign woman who had very little real life context on a British class system, Aristos and Royals he was able to see it in a different light.

Every historical novel, every history book on royals or adjacents are full of palace intrigue - why are people reluctant to believe that it happens in this day and age?

Some of us aren't, Justasec; in fact to anyone who reads widely or even just pays attention it should be pretty obvious by now that the whole institution's toxic and dysfunctional

The bit I don't get is the suggestion that we're all either "pro H&M" or "pro RF" as if those are the only choices, whereas some of us are actually anti both, but for different reasons

It really does come across that the royals are very dysfunctional family,and actually vicious

id dispute vicious, but there is no family that’s ever existed that you can’t write all tne petty squabbles and leave out the good stuff and make it look bad.

I certainly could. What harry has failed to do is counterbalance with rhe positive. He’s just written every single perceived slight against him and his wife.

I was wondering when that word, "disingenuous" would be played on here. It's a favourite of a few posters.

Although MNHQ may have deleted little, that still constitutes some.

You basically admitted you didn't read at least one of my posts properly. If you look, I was giving several reasons why Andrew isn't discussed as much as Harry and Meghan, not a definitive list. Of course there are lots of different reasons. All of them are rather irrelevant to the main topic of this thread, as has been pointed out.

What harry has failed to do is counterbalance with rhe positive. He’s just written every single perceived slight against him and his wife.

To be fair, we don't know without seeing the whole book if he has done that, although I agree it sounds like he has so far. However we're getting juicy edits.

Look none of us truly know these people. I think all of the publicity is covering up the really bad news on the economy etc. Seriously we have other issues to be concerned about .

Considering that they photographed pretty much all of their relationship, right from the first date, I’m sure they’ll have evidence somewhere - or not …

I misread one post but the rest I read carefully. Attempting to pass off criticism of your justifications as not definitive is rather by the by.

Question marks over the obsession with M&H and comparison with worse-behaved royals will always be of direct relevance to the topic.

The trouble is... the argument always is "well... everyone agrees Andrew is awful so there's nothing to discuss!"

But there are some thinly veiled attempts to support him. 'He hasn't done anything wrong'
'Innocent till proven guilty'
and then all the besmirching of the victims as a way of supporting him. I even saw on a thread on here 'he was just having fun, Guiffre was too. Who can blame him, he wasn't married' (or words to that effect)

So whilst any decent person thinks Andew is awful, it really is not everyone.

I, personally, think he's done far far more damage to the RF than Meghan & Harry.

Coming on to say this.

I actually can’t believe he’s written this in the way I’m hoping the English version won’t be so bad but I think the damage is done if it comes out he is so self absorbed.

Maybe there will be some positives as well in there. I’m sure deep down he loves his family & they appear to love him. They may not like his actions and behaviour but they are his family at the end of the day.

Exactly - there is a HUGE reluctance to discuss actual relevant issues related to a family who inherit enormous power, money and benefit.

Harry will never speak out against Andrew.
Nor will Meghan. They're close friends with Eugenie and Sarah Ferguson.

Even more evidence of their appalling judgement.

Absolutely.

The leaking and the publication of the worst bits en masse was the worst possible option for the release. There is an overload of the ridiculous and he's a laughing stock with no counterpoints, provided there actually are any in the book.

Then again, had he not written the blasted book it would not have come to this.

My sympathy is very limited.

I, personally, think he's done far far more damage to the RF than Meghan & Harry.

I would agree. So the question is why the fixation with M&H.

Perhaps the seriousness of A’s misdemeanours pose sufficient threat to the monarchy that royalists would rather deflect on more superficial concerns.

If he killed Afghani fighters he killed his own side, is a muderous bastard and will be in prison shortly as he confessed.

If he killed the opposing side he killed Taliban.

Which is what they were sent to do.

Why "percieved"?

I have not read the book yet but if even 10% of what they claim is true then I think vicious would be appropriate.

By that I am not talking about the physical agression but the press briefing against them.

Thanks for pointing this out, I did mean Taliban fighters specifically and should have said that. Technically speaking they are Afghan fighters, but they are not the Afghan Freedom Fighters that were on "our" side.

Eugenie strikes me as being a sensible woman . I really can’t see her being impressed by the stuff Harry has written .,

Things are so fraught in these discussions it is best to precise!

I didn't know they were friendly with SF.? But it's not 'appalling judgement' to be friends with Eugenie. I don't think that's fair.

You mean best to be precise?

To be friends with her mother- and hence her father- is appalling judgement when you know how they have both behaved.