He has gone after Camilla....

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The Sun have got hold of a copy of the book that was accidently put on sale in Spain. They are clearly skimming it as fast as possible with a translator. They are reporting that W&H begged KC not to marry C, and that he thought she was leaking stories to the press.

Bloody hell.

@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat

i know, it’s so strange

I'm struggling to reconcile the way Harry has chosen to 'write' his memoir with the stated aims of his Archewell Foundation:

At Archewell, we unleash the power of compassion to drive systemic cultural change.

And Our core purpose is to uplift and unite communities — local and global, online and offline — one act of compassion at a time.

We believe that compassion is the defining cultural force of the 21st century.

He had the freedom to choose the emotional tone of the book. He chose not to employ compassion which feels at odds to his stated life work.

He has the absolute right to expose any aspect of his life he chooses but has to accept thè impact on others when he exposes others without their consent. He knowingly chose to publicly hurt his closest family. He chose global blame and humiliation instead of global compassion. I believe he could have raised all the issues covered in a different manner. His decision to focus on some details of some very specific events is selective and disingenuous. It can only ever be just part of the whole.

He has ownership of his own feelings so is free to record them but he has ascribed emotions and motivations to others which can only be speculation or judgement.

I'm so frustrated that this opportunity for change may be lost because the big picture is getting obscured in the mass of personal grievances like the quality of the furniture in their cottage or Kate's reluctance to shard her lip gloss.

This was an opportunity for him to show the qualities that one would assume he has, given the award he received from the Robert Kennedy human rights organisation. I agree with him that change is long overdue but I fear this is a lost opportunity.

This reminds me of criticisms I have seen in real life from people who come from dysfunctional families.
The expectation is always that if you grow up in a neglectful and dysfunctional family, you should as an adult ignore what happened, never talk about it, and always regulate your emotions perfectly. If you do not, it is all your fault for not behavi9ng "perfectly".
In reality people who come from those type of backgrounds are most likely to want to talk about what happened in their childhood and not to always regulate their emotions well.

Three threads, two of which filled!

Four threads in total actually, three of which were filled, counting the first thread in the series that you continued.

It does pale into insignificance, but that wasn't the fact you were stating to know from experience. I know there were other threads about Andrew, I think I've started one myself in the past and certainly posted on others under a different name. There are obvious reasons why there haven't been 600+ threads on Andrew, including the fact that his were about very serious legal issues and as Mumsnet had to warn at times, people needed to be aware of that. And people were sensitive to the privacy of the victims.

Or perhaps you'd rather that people wrote threads about particulars of the young victims of grooming and sexual assault and trafficking in order to create more equality between Andrew versus Meghan & Harry?

Says the obsessed Meghan stalker

It might be compassion for people who come from other dysfunctional families.

It might be compassion for people who come from other dysfunctional families
Selective compassion @Rockybooboo ?

It might be compassion for people who come from other dysfunctional families.

Then say that.

Well said.

I do think as well, no matter how mistakenly his words may have been interpretedor translated, they will remain his words.

As I said in another post (not as well as you) he had so many important and valid things to address. The insignificant and unnecessary points which have been picked up by the press have turned it all into a bit of a tawdry joke.

I also think that one interview would have been sufficient and would have kept it concise and relevant.

He.might do in the book

And unsurprisingly the taliban have made a statement saying the 25 people he allegedly killed weren't 'chess pieces' they were human beings.
What an absolute idiot for rattling their cage.

Of all the things he has said, I cannot understand why he said that.

He didn’t say it in the Archewell mission statement which is what we’re discussing here. Compassion is compassion, it’s not selective. The person who wrote the mission statement understood that, hence the use of “global”.

I know. 'Chess pieces'. Honestly it'll be like a red rag to a bull for any crazed jihadist.

Your point - if you were making one - has escaped me.

I'm not sure if you're on here to pull me up on what I post, or to comment on H&M actually.

Not all posters were actually sensitive to the privacy of the victims on Andrew threads. They were blamed in many posts, or questioned about their motives, or told they were old enough to do what they did, or it was posted they were in it for the money.

Your last para I don't understand at all. But at least you mentioned M&H, the subject of the thread.

The expectation is always that if you grow up in a neglectful and dysfunctional family, you should as an adult ignore what happened, never talk about it, and always regulate your emotions perfectly. If you do not, it is all your fault for not behaving "perfectly"

That's actually pretty valid, BradfordGirl, as I know to my cost having grown up with hideous abuse

However I'd suggest that effective healing can depend, not on ignoring this, but choosing appropriate paths to "talk about it" - and it's hard to imagine any reputable therapist advocating the kind of behaviour Harry's indulging in, or that his own pain can somehow be helped by harming others

@Roussette actually it's Camilla and Harry who are the subject of this thread, not Meghan and Harry. It was you who started or at least were engaged in discussion about Andrew. I'm happy to not discuss him.

I don't particularly have a view on Harry "going after Camilla".

I do however think he was stupid and selfish to state how many Afghani fighters he killed. Regardless of any threat to his own safety, by stating this he's also potentially put other past or acting military personnel at risk.

Whenever the M&H fans can’t think up an excuse for the pair’s behaviour, a “What about Andrewwwwwww?” gets thrown in.

Look, this is headlining the national news, so clearly it is seen as, well, newsworthy , unlike Andrew who a) is lying low and b) has not just published a bombshell book and c) who no one sympathises with anyway.

Off tangent so I apologise but the NDA with Virginia expires soon so Andrew should be back in the spotlight soon.

An edit to what I said: In fact it was beyond selfish and stupid for Harry to reveal how many people he killed, it was unprofessional, negligent and a breach of national security.

Him doing that shows that he prioritises himself, and his own 'truth' or bravado over that of the safety of his countrymen and women. The country that he is still a Prince for.

Don’t be ridiculous the “He” in the title refers to Harry.

I’m the one being ridiculous? Re-read what I wrote again. I said the thread refers to Camilla and Harry.

Perhaps next time you want to quickly jump on someone with scorn, you’ll double check that it’s not you being the idiot.

Regarding your last para, I agree, and have said so on here.

And yes, if more comes out after the NDA expires for the victims, I will start a thread.

Everyone really needs to grow up imo. This is what a monarchy is. If you don’t like it then abolish it.

The idea that in an institution of inherited titles, everyone will be ideal for the job and just want you approve of, is delusional.

If you actually enjoy the soap opera dramatics of it then own that.

Well, I haven’t had much sleep. 🤷🏻‍♀️

The idea that the posters don’t discuss Andrew due to legal issues or sensitivity to his victims is absurd. The fact is - no-one is very interested in him possibly because his misdemeanours are too serious to be fun getting outraged over. No-one is obsessed with Andrew the way they are with H&M.