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thebellagio · 2023-01-05T13:22:32+00:00

The Sun have got hold of a copy of the book that was accidently put on sale in Spain. They are clearly skimming it as fast as possible with a translator. They are reporting that W&H begged KC not to marry C, and that he thought she was leaking stories to the press. Bloody hell.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 05/01/2023 22:50

derxa · 05/01/2023 21:19

How anyone can support Harry and Meghan after this lot of revelations is beyond me.

I support them even more. Because I get what Tyler Perry was hinting at.

The Windsors are more dysfunctional than the Markles. In fact they are horrible people. And they are abusive.

How do you tell a 12 year old boy his mother died, then not hug him, then leave him alone in his room until the next morning. You don't even have the decency to tell the boys the news together?

How do you introduce your lover to your bereaved teenage son, one year into his mother dying then have the news leaked by the lover's private secretary as part of her campaign for public acceptance?

Charles and Camilla, and even William are horrible people. Harry and Meghan are well shot of them. The chaotic bumbling Marbles are a delight in comparison, even Samantha's multiple twitter handles are more honest than the leaking and briefing against each other that Charles did to his Diana, and that William did to Harry.

I hope that Harry does not come to the coronation, and that they keep their kids away from the whole shit show.

Mummyoflittledragon · 05/01/2023 22:52

BethJ62 · 05/01/2023 22:11

She refused official protection as she thought they were spying on her .

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Exactly. Had Diana not been so paranoid, she would have had British police protection. She would have been wearing a seatbelt at their insistence and the driver would have been experienced and sober.

Anonymouseposter · 05/01/2023 23:03

If I were King Charles I would now be beyond being angry and would be extremely concerned about Harry. He doesn’t seem mentally stable and is being exploited in some ways. I think he is going to massively regret this and feel ashamed and depressed at some point in the future, it’s all so public. I have sympathy about the way the media treated Meghan but what Harry is doing now is bizarre and selfish. I think he’s going to find it difficult to live with himself.

Cranberrystreet · 05/01/2023 23:06

Exactly. Had Diana not been so paranoid, she would have had British police protection. She would have been wearing a seatbelt at their insistence and the driver would have been experienced and sober.

I think you are forgetting that Martin Bashir duped Diana ( using 32 pieces of supposed evidence including mocked up invoices) in to believing that her staff were betraying her and both Tina Brown (who met Diana for lunch a month before she died) and her friend Rosa Monckton questioned this chain of events that led to her death, as it is believed that those false beliefs played a part in Diana dispensing with her royal protection.

Coxspurplepippin · 05/01/2023 23:07

'Charles and Camilla, and even William are horrible people' . At the moment, the horrible person appears to be Harry.

And Tyler 'Oprah's business partner' Perry knows the ins and outs of the royal family and their relationships how? Oh yes, because Harry and Meghan told him.

'How do you tell a 12 year old boy his mother died, then not hug him, then leave him alone in his room until the next morning.'

Harry's recollections of his childhood have been shown to be erroneous sketchy many times. This could well be one of those times

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/01/2023 23:13

Camilla does come across as a fairly awful person, to be fair

Ah, but to borrow the much-used phrase on here she apparently "looks like she'd be fun to have a gin with"

If we have to have a monarchy at all - and personally I'd rather not - you'd think the bar could be set a bit higher than that, but it seems not

BradfordGirl · 05/01/2023 23:14

The police protection can not insist the Royal Family wear seatbelts. The Queen has been snapped without a seatbelt, famously not long after Diana was killed.

PicturesOfDogs · 05/01/2023 23:15

I won’t lie. I feel like I’ve got my 1p a days worth of entertainment out of them this year.

Rockybooboo · 05/01/2023 23:17

Blossomtoes · 05/01/2023 22:29

Diana was very hard faced then. It was sad her apartment entrance was a revolving door.

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Miaow.

Rockybooboo · 05/01/2023 23:19

Anonymouseposter · 05/01/2023 23:03

If I were King Charles I would now be beyond being angry and would be extremely concerned about Harry. He doesn’t seem mentally stable and is being exploited in some ways. I think he is going to massively regret this and feel ashamed and depressed at some point in the future, it’s all so public. I have sympathy about the way the media treated Meghan but what Harry is doing now is bizarre and selfish. I think he’s going to find it difficult to live with himself.

He would be a hypocrite as he did something similar in the early 90s

Inspecto · 05/01/2023 23:20

BradfordGirl · 05/01/2023 23:14

The police protection can not insist the Royal Family wear seatbelts. The Queen has been snapped without a seatbelt, famously not long after Diana was killed.

Is it possible the royals might have training about not wearing seatbelts for a security reasons?

There are certain exemptions in law for not wearing seatbelts:

Maybe there’s something similar for the royals?

SemperIdem · 05/01/2023 23:31

The aristocratic and elite classes have always been thoroughly unpleasant to each other as much as to us peasants.

The Harry debacle has played out time and time again throughout British history. The only difference this time around is the bloodshed is metaphorical not literal.

vera99 · 05/01/2023 23:41

Maireas · 05/01/2023 16:52

His necklace broke.
The ceilings at Nottingham Cottage were too low.
He had to rely on his mother's millions when his father cut him off.
This is indeed a sorry tale.

Proves he's a true Royal like the Princess and the pea story. The RF if it has any purpose at all which I don't subscribe to is to act as an idealised entity far above the fray of the rough and tumble of the lives of the people. One of selfless devotion to public duty and brand UK ambassadors around the world. One to inspire loyalty,deference,adulation and even on a national scale ,love - whatever that is ! We should have no idea what are their private thoughts or wants and they should be of high moral character and fibre. The Queen passed all of these with flying colours as to her descendants , no.

It is no surprise she half joked apres moi le deluge.What monarchists don't get yet is that there's no going back to that. However you spin or deflect not only do we live in a different age the characters across the board are much diminished and we face a declining country and future. The RF for better or worse will increasingly face the anger of a restless and increasingly impotent people. It's as if the asteroid has struck and will ultimately destroy these dinosaurs and they are probably dimly starting to realise that. Come the Coronation I suspect there will be widespread anger and the event will be a focus particularly for youthful dissent at the country they are inheriting from their parents and their lack of housing,pensions or secure employment and health care. H&M maybe a bloody mess but they are the asteroid...

vera99 · 05/01/2023 23:44

barnbaby · 05/01/2023 17:13

She smokes like a chimney! But not in front of cameras for sure.
Round here people feel like they have watched the whole relationship develop. When they were having an affair, she would drop her young children round to a hunt friend of hers who lived in a village near malmesbury. Then she and Charles would meet at an art studio that Charles had purchased for his friend Neil Forster who taught him to paint. Neil was a famous philanderer and more than happy to let his two friends meet to consummate their passion! The duchy only sold the studio a couple of years ago it is now an estate agents!
I have met Camilla and she is fun but I wouldn’t trust her with a secret. They are both huge drinkers. When he is at Highgrove he takes tea and scotch at 4pm in his folly and must not be disturbed by anyone for half an hour. The evenings drinking commences from there.

I drink too much but I take 6pm yard arm gin rules.To start at 4 would truly be the road to ruin. That said they must quaff the most excellent booze going!

vera99 · 05/01/2023 23:48

EdinaMonsoon · 05/01/2023 17:16

I'm surprised at the number of people thinking it's comical that H was scared by W's behaviour. I've been on the receiving end of very similar behaviour (shouting, shoving & hitting) in adulthood from an older toxic sibling and honestly it was a shocking & traumatic experience. The idea that I could be made fun of for sharing that is really disturbing, tbh. Also, is it not in the public interest to know that someone who will at some point be King could behave with a vile temper? After all, it seems to have been considered to be in the public interest for the press to go after M & expose her allegedly vile temper?

Going after C: well I can see why both H&W would (allegedly) ask KC not to marry her. Some adults can struggle when their surviving parent wishes to remarry and that's true with a partner with whom they hadn't had an affair with. Your father declaring his intention to marry the woman with whom they had openly had an affair with for the duration of their marriage to your mother - I think many people would struggle with that. And yes, it seems they have moved past it if the smiling and chats in public settings are anything to go by but if we believe the "never complain never explain" approach of the RF then of course they're not going to be rude and surly towards her in public!

That said, I do think H was wrong to write the book for many reasons, not least of which is the contradiction of hoping to reconcile with C & W in the future. I don't see how that could possibly happen now. Overall he seems a damaged soul.

My feminist takeaway from all this if we are to have a Crown reserve it for females only. Now that would be a game changer. We would now be on Queen Anne !

Cranberrystreet · 05/01/2023 23:49

SemperIdem · 05/01/2023 23:31

The aristocratic and elite classes have always been thoroughly unpleasant to each other as much as to us peasants.

The Harry debacle has played out time and time again throughout British history. The only difference this time around is the bloodshed is metaphorical not literal.

A very interesting and insightful post!

vera99 · 05/01/2023 23:52

Rushingfool · 05/01/2023 17:36

The rest of the mud slinging is just that - mud slinging, but writing about killing 25 Afghan soldiers is not very nice. No need to mention it - we all know, and regret, that people (sons, brothers, fathers) are killed in wars and to take proud ownership of that is rather unpleasant.

I'd have tried to stand in Harry's shoes over it all, if not for that.

Probably PTSD he along with many others vets needs help. Imagine having to live with the fact in every waking hour or more worryingly in your sleep. And as it turned out for what exactly, absolutely nothing.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 05/01/2023 23:53

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/01/2023 23:13

Camilla does come across as a fairly awful person, to be fair

Ah, but to borrow the much-used phrase on here she apparently "looks like she'd be fun to have a gin with"

If we have to have a monarchy at all - and personally I'd rather not - you'd think the bar could be set a bit higher than that, but it seems not

Honestly, Camilla has always given me the creeps. And indeed, the bar is set very low for these people. You would think the standards would be a little higher, and there would be just a smidgeon of integrity. Or a pretence of it.

Blossomtoes · 05/01/2023 23:55

It is no surprise she half joked apres moi le deluge.

That was Louis XV.

Rockybooboo · 05/01/2023 23:55

vera99 · 05/01/2023 23:48

My feminist takeaway from all this if we are to have a Crown reserve it for females only. Now that would be a game changer. We would now be on Queen Anne !

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Yes followed by Zara. So much better.

BradfordGirl · 05/01/2023 23:58

I don't think it would be better in reality. I think the position of heir and monarch confers too much power and status and that it would corrupt almost anyone who held it.

BethJ62 · 05/01/2023 23:59

BradfordGirl · 05/01/2023 23:14

The police protection can not insist the Royal Family wear seatbelts. The Queen has been snapped without a seatbelt, famously not long after Diana was killed.

I think the point is that had Diana had official protection she would have been travelling in a car with an experienced , sober driver .

BethJ62 · 06/01/2023 00:06

MrsMaxDeWinter · 05/01/2023 22:50

I support them even more. Because I get what Tyler Perry was hinting at.

The Windsors are more dysfunctional than the Markles. In fact they are horrible people. And they are abusive.

How do you tell a 12 year old boy his mother died, then not hug him, then leave him alone in his room until the next morning. You don't even have the decency to tell the boys the news together?

How do you introduce your lover to your bereaved teenage son, one year into his mother dying then have the news leaked by the lover's private secretary as part of her campaign for public acceptance?

Charles and Camilla, and even William are horrible people. Harry and Meghan are well shot of them. The chaotic bumbling Marbles are a delight in comparison, even Samantha's multiple twitter handles are more honest than the leaking and briefing against each other that Charles did to his Diana, and that William did to Harry.

I hope that Harry does not come to the coronation, and that they keep their kids away from the whole shit show.

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You do recall that Harry and Meghan were quite happy to live and work with these “ horrible people” when they announced their plans in early 2020 ? Remember those plans ? Essentially half in/ half out . They said they would “ collaborate “ with The Queen etc whilst making money . So those people were perfectly acceptable . Until they heard the word no .
As someone very wise said - recollections vary .

MrsMaxDeWinter · 06/01/2023 00:35

BethJ62 · 06/01/2023 00:06

You do recall that Harry and Meghan were quite happy to live and work with these “ horrible people” when they announced their plans in early 2020 ? Remember those plans ? Essentially half in/ half out . They said they would “ collaborate “ with The Queen etc whilst making money . So those people were perfectly acceptable . Until they heard the word no .
As someone very wise said - recollections vary .

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I have always thought Charles and Camilla to be vile, especially how they treated Diana.

I thought this long before Meghan came ... and left.

I think your King is a spineless, self serving coward who is married to a horrible two faced woman who is happy to hang out with people who are vile to the mother of her husband's grandchildren, and that he will be succeeded by a controlling bully. They demonstrate the limits of choosing leaders not through merit, but primogeniture.

This is so whether H and M are half in or out. My view does not depend on their choices.

Kate seems nice, if rather dull but better dull than vile She has the merit of coming from a stable normal background. If her kids hang are raised on the Middleton values and not the Windsor values, they will be fine. I wish her and her kids well.

LuluBlakey1 · 06/01/2023 00:42

MrsMaxDeWinter · 06/01/2023 00:35

I have always thought Charles and Camilla to be vile, especially how they treated Diana.

I thought this long before Meghan came ... and left.

I think your King is a spineless, self serving coward who is married to a horrible two faced woman who is happy to hang out with people who are vile to the mother of her husband's grandchildren, and that he will be succeeded by a controlling bully. They demonstrate the limits of choosing leaders not through merit, but primogeniture.

This is so whether H and M are half in or out. My view does not depend on their choices.

Kate seems nice, if rather dull but better dull than vile She has the merit of coming from a stable normal background. If her kids hang are raised on the Middleton values and not the Windsor values, they will be fine. I wish her and her kids well.

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Oh get a grip! It was 40 years ago. Diana had more affairs than Charles, including with married men (one of whom she made thousands of anonymous phone calls to him and his wife for 2 years afterwards). She has been dead a quarter of a century. Charles and Camilla are here, long-married and happy. Life moves on in 40 years. You sound as embittered and venomous as Harry.