Page 34 | Harry alleges/describes William physically attacking him in 2019

Rinoachicken · 2023-01-05T00:10:31+00:00

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/04/prince-harry-william-physical-attack-2019-meghan-spare-book?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other Not really sure what to make of this tbh…

Begoniasforever · 05/01/2023 10:32

I also think harrylooks the worse out the two here.

william at least cared enough to try to deal with the Meghan being rude and abrasive to people issue. Which effectively validates rhe bullying claims. Harry effectively just told us it was so bad William had to come and talk to him about it.

and harry said he started going on about being the spare. Showing his issue and envy

so yes William grabbed him. But for me the bigger issue is meghans behaviour, harry selling stories for money, them both twisting the truth and Harry’s envy over his brother position.

those behaviours are way more damaging than a grab and shove.

potniatheron · 05/01/2023 10:33

Inkpotlover · 05/01/2023 10:23

Harry says the first thing he did after William 'attacked' him was speed dial his therapist. Yet according to him and Meghan, she wasn't allowed to access mental health support while she was in the UK? Honestly, I can't believe a word they say.

Wouldn't a wiser order of business have been to get the broken shards of dog bowl out of his back first? As he states that they dug into his back. Or did he breathlessly sob to his therapist on the phone with shards of ceramic sticking out of his back like a porcupine?

Serenster · 05/01/2023 10:33

Aspiringmatriarch · 05/01/2023 10:22

You're not comparing like with like there, most obviously because Meghan is a woman, and also American - what's that quote about two nations divided by a common language?

You're also comparing a sister-in-law with a fairly distant cousin. I'm sure William thinks Gary is a top bloke but there's nothing in that dynamic to upset the 'natural order of things'. An educated, articulate, assertive American woman married to his younger brother? I could certainly see him perceiving her in a certain way and being more likely to take issue with her behaviour, while Uncle Andrew's staff running up flights of stairs to open his curtains and arrange his teddies is just par for the course.

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I am responding to the comment:

“The first time in its history that the Royal Family had to engage with someone who wasn’t from the 0.001% (white, rich, extremely privileged) of the world with whom they typically mingle it fell flat on its face”

by pointing out that this is not true. The Royal family engaged for many years with someone who wasn’t white, rich or extremely privileged among them. Meghan was demonstrably not the first.

It’s you who widened the concept and claimed I wasn’t showing that Meghan nd Gary are in the same position. The original poster didn’t say that and so I wasn’t responding to that. Changing the goalposts isn’t helpful.

Ohnonevermind · 05/01/2023 10:33

@MichaelFartblender

Seeing as you’re using an actor from Kerry’s name, i presumed you weren’t coming from a place of complete ignorance of Irish phrases so didn’t comment before. The OP’s name means hurry up, even me with my cúpla focail knows that

BradfordGirl · 05/01/2023 10:35

Serenster · 05/01/2023 10:27

Your personal knowledge is relevant why?

You may not have known them but William and his wider family clearly did. So it is wrong to suggest that Meghan was the very first time the Royal Family had to interact with someone not fro the 0.01%

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I made no such allegation, that is another poster.
Although the poster who refuted the allegation said its not true as Gary Lewis attended Christmas lunches with 70 other members of the Royal Family. That response made me laugh. Not exactly strong evidence.

My view is the Royal Family do interact with people not from the top white elite. But I also know that many members of the aristocracy from my own experience are perfectly pleasant to people outside their elite, but would never be friends with anyone not from their circle. It is all superficial and meaningless interactions.

itsnotmeitisactuallyyou · 05/01/2023 10:36

Devakai · 05/01/2023 00:50

PW has a good public face, that's all.

Yes agree,i think hes probably a prized prat behind closed doors

MalagaNights · 05/01/2023 10:37

This from earlier in the thread made me LOL 🤣🤣🤣:

Harry said he won rock paper scissors but William still sat in the front seat.

BradfordGirl · 05/01/2023 10:37

@Begoniasforever I don't care whose "side" you take,. But please stop minimising violence. You and others are sending out a message that violence does not matter in families. And some posters on this thread are describing dismissively worrying levels of violence in their own families. It is not okay.

Laiste · 05/01/2023 10:37

@potniatheron Stop it 😂

Goodgrief82 · 05/01/2023 10:37

I just would like to jump forward… let’s say 10 years in future, when Harry and Megan are divorcing/divorced and we read the real version of events as Harry sees the light and reveals what an absolute fruitcake Megan is

Wheresthebeach · 05/01/2023 10:38

Harry and Meighan can say anything, safe in the knowledge that they will never have a response from the RF. I guess there will be MM book in the next year, and hopefully this will all fade away in a couple of years. They need to be cut off so they can only repeat the past, and have no fodder for the future.

This is doing Harry no good at all...even if he makes the money he wants he's not going to be happy. The A listers they want to be friends with will continue to steer clear of this train wreck, and he's destroying his relationship (what's left of it) with his family. Charles will have a hard time convincing William to extend olive branches now.

I hope they stay away from the Coronation. Just like the Queen's death they will make some sort of fuss, and find something to be offended by. The damage to his brother that Harry is willing to do, just for revenge and money, isn't going to be forgiven. He says he wants a reconciliation - what he means is that he wants a public apology that says it's all everyone else's fault, that H&M can get everything they want, not do the dull work of being a Royal, and do everything possible to overshadow/destroy W&K for H&M benefit. I don't understand how they can expect to be part of anything going forward.

Goodgrief82 · 05/01/2023 10:38

And how much he regrets his behaviour now

MocktailExams · 05/01/2023 10:38

BradfordGirl · 05/01/2023 10:27

An official complaint was made. An enquiry was held. No report or even a summary was published. The enquiry may have found there was no bullying.
So yes the only evidence the public know about is at the level of he said she said.

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H&M would just say the enquiry was racist or biased if she was found to have bullied staff. Bullying allegations are notoriously difficult to prove.

It would have all been more believable if harry had reported the physical assault to the police. Did he?

On this note, if William was convicted of assault would he still be entitled to become king?

Rewis · 05/01/2023 10:38

AuroraCake · 05/01/2023 00:38

He needs money. E
costs a good few million a year to run his life. He doesn’t have that long term.

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Didn't he claim in the documentary that their plan was to continue as working royals and represent the crown and pay for all of it by themselves 😅

Ohnonevermind · 05/01/2023 10:39

Prince Harry was probably trying to get on the floor for one of his famous tantrums and William tried to stop him.

MalagaNights · 05/01/2023 10:39

Also, I so hope there are ingenious people out there right now testing dog bowls by falling on them and that the results will be out soon.

Inkpotlover · 05/01/2023 10:39

MocktailExams · 05/01/2023 10:29

I sense that maybe she wasn't allowed to use the therapist or therapeutic facility she had chosen, perhaps due to them not willing to sign a watertight NDA? I'd imagine the RF wouldn't like dirt about them published by the organisers of a questionable retreat. Alternatively, maybe she wanted to go on one of those famous cactus eating retreats and the palace thought that wound's be a good idea?

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This is seriously clutching at straws! MM said she was suicidal – why on earth would she give up looking for a therapist because one might've refused to sign an NDA??? The therapist would be bound by patient confidentiality anyway, so signing an NDA isn't much of a leap from that. She was desperate, apparently, yet Harry had his on speed dial.

I think they've spun so many stories now they've forgotten what's 'their truth' and what's not.

It's also worth remembering is that Harry was prepared to release this book pulling the RF apart while The Queen was still alive. That's how much he respected her.

I just want him and her to shut the fuck up now. Enough.

Mumsnut · 05/01/2023 10:39

‘Harold’ suits the new Harry so much better than ‘Harry’

HotChoxs · 05/01/2023 10:40

theworldhas · 05/01/2023 10:03

This is not someone coming forward to the police or social services, it's an accusation being made in a profit making and career enhancing enterprise

You either take accusations seriously or you don’t.

@theworldhas has yellow feet

MoirasSaggyBundles · 05/01/2023 10:40

Alighttouchonthetiller · 05/01/2023 09:43

I don’t know if I’ve missed this being mentioned, but the excerpt reads as if Harry is a child being threatened by an adult. I wonder if that is how he sees himself - emotionally he certainly seems to be trapped at the age he was when his mother died, and he talks about his wife as if she was his mother. Plus she does all that hand-holding and consoling. I think he sees himself as a child, or is being manipulated to do so. Either way, that’s a fuckton of therapy needed.

I'd go a step further and say he sees himself as Diana. That whole scenario read like an account of an abused wife, not a fraternal scrap between two burly ex soldiers.

Goodgrief82 · 05/01/2023 10:40

BradfordGirl · 05/01/2023 10:37

@Begoniasforever I don't care whose "side" you take,. But please stop minimising violence. You and others are sending out a message that violence does not matter in families. And some posters on this thread are describing dismissively worrying levels of violence in their own families. It is not okay.

i know not your intention but it’s actually you that “minimises” violence by getting worked up and describing a “shove” between brothers as “violence”

Falalalalalalaetc · 05/01/2023 10:40

William talked to Harry about Meghan bullying employees of the Royal Family (which is not the same as just being rude and abrasive to someone where there is no power dynamic at play in the same way as employees)

Harry's answer to this seemingly is to totally dismiss these people entirely (as 'lessers') and instead focus on how dare William criticise his wife / bring this alleged mistreatment of staff up and how hard done by he is as a 'spare'?

William got a bit angry and maybe shoved Harry who overbalanced fell to the ground? Though we don't know this actually happened.

It's the poor staff I feel sorry for. Though good to know William doesn't see them as subhuman and will actually discuss allegations of mistreatment.

VladmirsPoutine · 05/01/2023 10:41

Wrt to Meghan bullying claims. As a general rule white don't like being told what to do by non-white people. A half black woman could ask for directions in the palace and by the time it got back to their HR equivalent it would have sounded as though Meghan had threatened to rip out someone's uterus and use it like pitta bread.

CathyorClaire · 05/01/2023 10:41

Haven't RTFT but anyone know how a copy of a book that was supposed to be under Harry Potter style security and released simultaneously around the globe happens to have fallen into the hands of the press a week or so before its launch?

What a coincidence.

My3dahliasarebloominlovely · 05/01/2023 10:42

@ArcaneWireless - the pinch of salt is the best so far!