Page 28 | Harry alleges/describes William physically attacking him in 2019

Rinoachicken · 2023-01-05T00:10:31+00:00

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/04/prince-harry-william-physical-attack-2019-meghan-spare-book?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other Not really sure what to make of this tbh…

Fieldfly · 05/01/2023 09:38

theworldhas · 05/01/2023 09:14

@vera99
Whatever your "side" following the death of the late Queen we are witnessing the Fall of the House of Windor. Charles and William should renouce the Crown and retire to a life of privileged obscurity for their own mental health as much as anything.

it’s surely hard for even the most ardent of monarchists to deny what a massively dysfunctional family they are. Inherited monarchy only worked in bygone eras where they could basically do as they pleased and only their good deeds would be commented upon, as their power was too great for anyone to dare criticism.

Instead we know that at least a couple of the leading male royals were close to serial paedophiles. The current king drove his ex wife to mental breakdown, with mi6 possibly involved in her death. The current king has also been found to have been pressuring governemnt into changing laws. The next in line is violent and cheated on his wife. Say what you want Harry’s personal motivations (be it the well-being of his family, wealth, or to escape personal trauma etc) but there is no universe in which staying put in the middle of that mess is the right choice!

This is mostly rumour though.

Which, other than Andrew, leading male members of the rf were close to peadophiles - close, not just met at functions.
did the king drive Diana to breakdown or was she a troubled woman with a troubled past?
william is violent - no evidence of this. Cheating - it did seem so but when pippa named her child after the alleged affair partner seems unlikely.

Theheartmustpausetobreathe · 05/01/2023 09:38

You need to have a word with your family if they're having physical fights. Unless they're fucking 10. Fair point @kirinm
And I probably exaggerated .Occasionally there's a bit of shoving ,mainly ,now they're older,it's leaving the room .
But I don't think it's that unusual for male siblings to get physical .Not saying it's a good thing .

CurrentHun · 05/01/2023 09:38

Haven't read twt so may have already been said but I bet the Government secretly love this. For some people anyway,I'm not sure how many, it diverts attention from the NHS crisis, the cost of living, the continuing strikes......

you’re quite right Roma and I hadn’t thought of this that way but the timing is perfect isn’t it. What a relief for them.

Justellingthetruth · 05/01/2023 09:39

@Rinoachicken

its very boring

Rhondaa · 05/01/2023 09:39

'when Harry says it didn’t need to be like this, what he means is, if they’d let us do half and half I’d not be selling stories for spite and cash'

Exactly.

MarshaMelrose · 05/01/2023 09:39

Theheartmustpausetobreathe · 05/01/2023 09:28

But it's him constantly bringing up being the spare, even in this argument. He's in his 30s. Can you imagine how trying this has been for all those round him listening to him whining on how he's second best for 20 years?

Is he constantly bringing it up ,has he constantly being doing this in his family conversations ?
He is talking about it now in this book ,as is the publicity machine around it ,but do we know what he's said of it in the past ?

And even if has gone on about it to William ,so what ? Isn't William a loving brother who can tolerate being annoyed by a younger brother who isn't coping with a fact of life ? I had a younger sibling with a big chip on his shoulder (based on reality ) but I loved him ,understood where he was coming from and tried to deal with it .William can't do that ?

You can feel sorry for self-pitying whingers the first couple of times but after that they're just annoying - family member even more so.

He brought it up in an argument over his wife. He mentioned it during his Netflix documentary. He named his book after it. You just know this is a common complaint and sore point with him. But it's one that no one can actually do anything about. Only him with therapy. Which he refused to take seriously. And even after engaging, he still sees himself defined by the word.
He has so many positive things in his life but instead he's just sad, resentful and second-rate in his own mind.

ADifferentKindofChristmas · 05/01/2023 09:40

MichaelFartblender · 05/01/2023 03:02

Yes, disgusting Harry has dared to speak out about the violent attack on him. He should have kept his mouth shut like a good little boy, right?

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Alleged violent attack on him.

Unless you were in the room how do you know it's true?

I shagged Hugh Jackman last night.

Do you believe that too?

Coxspurplepippin · 05/01/2023 09:40

Falalalalalalaetc, thank you for that post. You've put into words exactly how I feel about the whole thing. There seems to be no room for quiet dignity and service, promoting others rather than self.

I

HotChoxs · 05/01/2023 09:41

PicturesOfDogs · 05/01/2023 09:37

Because it doesn’t make sense.

Read it again, and try to imagine it playing out exactly as written.

How can Harry be simultaneously calm and shouting over William, trading insults?

Why would William accept a glass of water, just to put it down and then lunge, with Harry doing saying nothing in between?

Then after Harry fell on the bowl (never says William pushed him, threw him etc) William says get up and fight me like we did as children?

Nah

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That and the odds of felling a man that size without significant force which would have made his dog bowl breakage looking trivial are pretty slim.

Plus the odds of you releasing this information in a carefully timed drip feed into a book means it's not exactly a compelling stamp of authenticity.

RhymeHasAReason · 05/01/2023 09:41

HotChoxs · 05/01/2023 09:27

You're minimising a highly likely false accusation against a prominent member of society who's a victim of an agenda to smear in order to sell books. Why is William being discarded as a victim of abuse here?

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I’ve said no one knows what happened. We do not know these people and we were not in the room.

I’m talking in general terms about attitudes to violence/abuse. It is wrong to minimise abuse based on how rich someone is or how big they are or their past career. Anyone can be a victim of violence/abuse

If the accusation is false, then clearly that’s disgusting. False accusations are dreadful for the accused and it’s damaging for victims.

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 05/01/2023 09:41

Just a couple of months before Harry and Meghan met for the first time, Harry was recorded answering a question posed by a small boy. Would he ever be king? Harry answered with a grin, 'You'll be pleased to know probably not!' before giving the boy a high five. He gave every impression of being at peace with, if not relieved about, being the 'spare'.

www.today.com/news/little-boy-asks-prince-harry-if-he-ll-ever-be-t88781

But Meghan had a 'prince who could be king' vacancy in her heart and Harry has been trying to contort himself into fitting that vacancy since they met.

theworldhas · 05/01/2023 09:43

The more interesting bit is William thinking Meghan is rude and abrasive behind close doors

that’s probably because William had literally never had to properly deal and engage with someone who isn’t British upper class face to face before. And no, polite small talk at official engagements doesn’t count. The first time in its history that the Royal Family had to engage with someone who wasn’t from the 0.001% (white, rich, extremely privileged) of the world with whom they typically mingle it fell flat on its face.

Trying2bemum · 05/01/2023 09:43

JamMakingWannaBe · 05/01/2023 01:06

This is the reason to buy cheap plastic dog bowls from B&M rather than expensive ceramic ones. They cause much less injury when you fall onto them.

Missing details - did the Winalot stain his trousers?

I want more info on the broken necklace too.

😂

Falalalalalalaetc · 05/01/2023 09:43

romatheroamer · 05/01/2023 09:33

Haven't read twt so may have already been said but I bet the Government secretly love this. For some people anyway,I'm not sure how many, it diverts attention from the NHS crisis, the cost of living, the continuing strikes.......

H & M know Harry's book and interviews will be used to bury information about the strikes, state of the NHS (how many hospitals have a critical incident now - anyone know?). They know this, but they carry on. Because they don't give a shit about the British public or how many people are dying because of not being able to access basic medical care.

They've said it all before, how many times can you say the same stuff.

We get it, they hate the RF. Shut up and go NC then.

Alighttouchonthetiller · 05/01/2023 09:43

I don’t know if I’ve missed this being mentioned, but the excerpt reads as if Harry is a child being threatened by an adult. I wonder if that is how he sees himself - emotionally he certainly seems to be trapped at the age he was when his mother died, and he talks about his wife as if she was his mother. Plus she does all that hand-holding and consoling. I think he sees himself as a child, or is being manipulated to do so. Either way, that’s a fuckton of therapy needed.

Trying2bemum · 05/01/2023 09:44

HollyBobb · 05/01/2023 08:54

“He threw me to the palace floor, ripping my necklace while calling me a worthless spare. I fell and hurt my back on the dorg bowl.” Read by Harold, The Victim Prince.

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😂😂😂

Theheartmustpausetobreathe · 05/01/2023 09:44

I think Prince Harry seems really vulnerable as you’d imagine after his life experience of child bereavement and then seeing active service and his bizarre Royal upbringing. He is very angry about it all and he is telling his subjective truth from his own side of things.

However I don’t think it rings true that he would be willing to make up stuff completely that had never at all happened. Prince Harry has had a lot of training to be dutiful and respect authority of one kind or another and part of his current self image seems to be that of a strongly ethical, truth-telling, nature, post-therapy person who is interested in justice and injustice and power imbalances. I do believe him

I agree ^^

FlairBand · 05/01/2023 09:45

Another drip feed just out as ITN release another trailer for Sunday’s interview… my god you’d almost think this whole process was planned wouldn’t you. The coincidence of it all.

In this one Harry says the ball is in their court for a reconciliation. He hasn’t decided if they’ll go to the coronation yet (so they can hog the headlines when they do). What utter shit. More threats of thinly veiled lies and stories aimed straight at the heart of the family, it’s gutter level stuff.

Who’d want to try to reconcile with people like that when you can dig your own grave for nothing?

Any approach from the RF would be twisted into an admission or an apology, and a vindication that H&M were the victims and were right all along. Cut them off, they’re not worth it.

BradfordGirl · 05/01/2023 09:45

Theheartmustpausetobreathe · 05/01/2023 09:38

You need to have a word with your family if they're having physical fights. Unless they're fucking 10. Fair point @kirinm
And I probably exaggerated .Occasionally there's a bit of shoving ,mainly ,now they're older,it's leaving the room .
But I don't think it's that unusual for male siblings to get physical .Not saying it's a good thing .

Its not unusual for a parent to hit a child either. It still makes it very wrong.

TrainsDrainsAndAutomobiles · 05/01/2023 09:45

Haven't read twt so may have already been said but I bet the Government secretly love this. For some people anyway,I'm not sure how many, it diverts attention from the NHS crisis, the cost of living, the continuing strikes......

Exactly. The focus should be on the real and hugely challenging issues ordinary people are facing, not this over privileged wankfest.

Bet Rishi Rich is rubbing his hands with glee. Wonder if he leaked it… (joke)

thereisonlyoneofme · 05/01/2023 09:46

WAH he hit me ! Its not fair !

BalloonSlayer · 05/01/2023 09:46

the notion that Meghan wasn’t allowed a therapist whilst harry had his on speed dial is beyond ludicrous.

They never claimed that Meghan wasn't allowed a therapist, the issue was that she wanted to go away somewhere for treatment; that was what was not allowed.

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HotChoxs · 05/01/2023 09:47

RhymeHasAReason · 05/01/2023 09:41

I’ve said no one knows what happened. We do not know these people and we were not in the room.

I’m talking in general terms about attitudes to violence/abuse. It is wrong to minimise abuse based on how rich someone is or how big they are or their past career. Anyone can be a victim of violence/abuse

If the accusation is false, then clearly that’s disgusting. False accusations are dreadful for the accused and it’s damaging for victims.

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So why are you accusing people of minimising when they're pointing out that the scenario is highly unlikely based on the factual evidence and that it's potentially been constructed in order to abuse someone else?

Are we not supposed to look at the objective facts but instead be told that we are minimising for pointing out the man was clearly capable of defending himself, had the means to remove himself from the situation easily, and is potentially telling his tale for profit?

This is not someone coming forward to the police or social services, it's an accusation being made in a profit making and career enhancing enterprise. If you are such an expert in domestic abuse how can you not understand the difference in context here?

FeltCarrot · 05/01/2023 09:47

I wonder if the bullied staff will speak out at some point.